Actisense & Furuno N2K junction boxes, impressions

Ben Ellison

Ben Ellison

Panbo editor, publisher & chief bottlewasher from 4/2005 until 8/2018, and now pleased to have Ben Stein as a very able publisher, webmaster, and editing colleague. Please don't regard him as an "expert"; he's getting quite old and thinks that "fadiddling fumble-putz" is a more accurate description.

14 Responses

  1. Sandy says:

    If you didn’t notice, its slightly easier to remove the glands and take the circuit board out of the box to get everything connected first.

  2. Patrick says:

    I was talking to a guy here in Seattle who is on the NEMA standards committee and I was calling this thing a hub. He seemed very confused by that. Isn’t this a hub? Don’t all the instruments hangoff this box like a network hub?
    Very confused….
    Thanks in advance for the pending enlightenment. 🙂
    -p

  3. Kees says:

    NEMA or NMEA? Quite a difference!
    As to the “hub” terminology, I wouldn’t call this a hub since it contains no electronics. It’s just a fancy way of connecting wires, so my vote is for the term “junction box”.
    Also note that unlike Ethernet, where you -must- use a hub (or switch) to connect > 2 ports, here you can pretty much connect ports any way you want as long as you keep the drops from the main cable short, and terminate the ends.
    So think of these things as multiple-T-in-one-box and you’re set.

  4. Sandy says:

    NEMA vs NMEA?
    Actually they are very close, less than an hour’s drive depending on traffic through the District of Columbia. National Marine Electronics Association (they set standards for Gray boxes) is in Rosslyn Virginia, just across the Potomac and probably within site of the Capitol. National Marine Electronics Association (Black boxes) is in Severna Park, just north of Annapolis. Since its a long distance call, they don’t talk to each other that much. [g]

  5. Russ Cooper says:

    Of course its a hub, a hub is a device that simulates network wire and connectors, and that’s what it does. There are no “electronics” in a hub…perhaps you’re confusing a hub with a switch, or router.
    A hub is the dumbest device around…;-]
    Cheers,
    Russ

  6. Adam says:

    Explain to me again why these things have terminal blocks and not NMEA2000 connectors? Kind of belies the word “Quick” in the Actisense device’s name.
    Also, given that the boxes cost $150 or so, what is the advantage over just stringing a bunch of Ts together? Ts are cheap or free (Garmin at least provides a T with every NMEA2000 product), relatively compact, and all the Ts I’ve seen have a screw hole for mounting to a bulkhead. Not to mention which, if you need to disconnect something or replace a cable, a standard plug is much friendlier.
    I might be interested in a “hub” that was $80 and had regular N2K connectors, but these don’t make sense to me.

  7. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Adam, these are just alternatives, particularly useful if you’re running N2K cable through tight chases. I too prefer connectors over raw wires.
    But I have been learning how you have to be careful about impedance on large networks. I’ll write about it soon, but I did not realize until recently that a string of tees in a backbone can cause impedance slight issues. That’s why Maretron encourages the use of multiport boxes, which put the little impedance breaks on a drop cable instead of on the backbone.
    If you’re building a big network, Adam, and it sounds like you are, you should be careful about using first class cables and connectors, and designing a clean backbone. If I were you I’d submit an N2KBuilder file to Maretron for discussion.

  8. Adam says:

    Ben, thanks for the heads-up. My plan is to use Maretron “mid” cable for the backbone, but in any case I’m mocking up the entire network inside the boat before running wire through chases.
    I messed around a bit with N2KBuilder but found the UI slow and confusing. Some of that may be Adobe AIR on OSX’s fault. I’ll try again on the PC.

  9. Adam says:

    Yep, looking at the N2KBuilder manual I now see that the entire menu bar is in fact missing when run on OSX. That makes it kind of hard to use. 🙂 I thought AIR was supposed to prevent problems like that.

  10. Adam says:

    Ben, I’ve discovered something interesting: Maretron offers their own junction box, the CM-CF-4.
    It has one male N2K connector for connection to the backbone and 4 female drop connections. Yes, you read that right: Maretron is endorsing a network topology that is neither pure backbone/drop nor pure star. These boxes are little stars that hang off the backbone. Most convenient.
    And they’re only $65 each, or $16 a device, which I consider pretty much a bargain in the N2K cabling world.
    Finally, one more intriguing tidbit: if you look at the photo of the box in the 2010 Maretron catalog, you can see that it’s actually a generic DeviceNet junction box manufactured by Turck. That suggests that if you choose your source well you may be able to get them sans the Maretron markup. Now we just need a Turck part number…

  11. Adam says:

    A little more information: This wiring scheme is referred within the DeviceNet standard as DevicePort. Allen-Bradley, who originally devised DeviceNet, offer a bunch of DevicePort boxes in 4, 6, and 8 port versions. See this catalog page (under “DevicePort”):
    http://bit.ly/9BsTsf
    I’m seeing 8-port DevicePort boxes on eBay for around $200, but am guessing that they can be found for less.

  12. Adam says:

    Ben, I should’ve searched first as I see Dan already did a good job covering the Maretron Multiport box. But I still think it could be interesting to look at 8-port DevicePort boxes as a way to further consolidate N2K wiring. I’ll ask Maretron what they think.

  13. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Right, mulitport boxes are NMEA 2000 legal and have been around for a while. They are not equivalent to daisy chaining because the data and power lines do not pass through a device. They are fairly equivalent to multiple tee drops, and the total length from the backbone — the cable from backbone to box plus from box to device — can not exceed the maximum drop cable length (a conservative 20 feet for N2K micro cable sizes).
    What I, and many others, have never paid much attention to are the impedance issues. Keeping it more or less right is critical once an N2K network gets large. Apparently every tee in a backbone is slight decrement to its impedance, a decrement that’s not as important if it’s on a drop instead. This is a plus for multiport boxes. It’s also another reason NMEA doesn’t like daisy chaining; there’s no telling what’s happening to impedance when N2K passes through a device.

  14. Adam says:

    Well, I just bought 5 x 4-port, 1 x 6-port, and 1 x 8-port DeviceNet boxes of this sort off eBay for a grand total of about $175. We’ll see how they all work.

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