WattCycle LiFePO4, value battery with a punch

Ben Stein

Ben Stein

Publisher of Panbo.com, passionate marine electronics enthusiast, 100-ton USCG master.

3 Responses

  1. mattb says:

    Will Prowse on YouTube recently did a review on the Watt Cycle 300 and found two interesting things:
    1) The cells are actually 280Ah cells, not 300Ah cells. WattCycle (doing damage control since Will has almost 1M subscribers) owned up to it and promised to re-label future batteries, gave $50 refunds to prior purchasers, and is offering a discount (though still more than Black Friday when the batteries were incorrectly advertised as 300Ah) on future purchases.
    2) The BMS current limit allows the 300/280Ah battery to put out a sustained 850A and the parts inside the unit are not rated for that amount of current. WattCycle said that they are going to address this in future versions. As such, don’t count on the BMS to protect against over current and make sure to have a suitable fuse on a terminal of this battery. Will also did a review on another 280Ah battery from Eco Worthy (that uses a different BMS) and found the same problem.

  2. Noel Poduje says:

    Good article.

    I am looking to replace my 90Ah lead-acid battery with one like this LiFePO4 and have questions about charging from a solar panel.

    I use a 30W or so panel to keep the lead-acid battery charged. Since it has no BMS, I have a cheap regulator on the panel. It seems to work ok, with typically 13.8V showing on the battery after a long time in the sun.

    Questions:

    Will the LiFePO4 battery BMS and the regulator on the panel work well together? I imagine having essentially two regulators in the system could lead to a problem.

    Also, I don’t think the panel regulator is adjustable. If it were, how would I set it?

    The panel regulator instructions say to always connect the battery before connecting the panel, i.e., the regulator should not see an open circuit on its output. I assume this is to prevent overvoltage which may damage the regulator. The article about the WattCycle battery says that its BMS disconnects the charging source when the battery is fully charged. How do I prevent damage to the regulator?

    Could I use the solar panel directly with no regulator? I think this may work since the BMS will prevent overcharging and the panel itself should tolerate an open circuit.

    Comments, questions and more information are appreciated.

    Thanks,
    Noel

  3. Mike H says:

    I put several of these Watt Cycle 100Ahr minis in my sailboat. I am thankful that your load testing showed full capacity because the BMS charge indication tends to be much more optimistic that my Balmar battery monitor.

    I did have something of concern happen recently. After leaving my wind generator on during a period of high winds, three of my batteries had a cell overvoltage fault and disconnected themselves. The problems was that we were in a remote anchorage and needed to get out of there with some weather coming…

    The issue I saw was the spread between the cell overvoltage disconnect and reconnect voltages because once the battery disconnects, the only way to get a cell voltage down is the passive balancing which is slooow. Luckily I found the BMS password online (88888) and was able to look at some of the protection settings. The factory settings for cell overvoltage disconnect/ reconnect are 3.65/3.350, but dissipating 0.3v can be a looong wait. Interesting Victron’s settings are 3.65/3.5 which seems more reasonable. Many of the Victron settings look better to my eyes.

    Another issue that readers may want to know about is the app’s seeming ability to shut down the charging or discharging independently. While one can shut down the discharge side and still charge, turning off only the charging selection takes the battery completely offline as can be seen by the discharge amperage going to zero.

    I would suspect that most of the budget lithium batteries have hidden issues, so my intent is not to bash Wattcycle but to let others know of their possible limitations.

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