Testing a state-of-the-art install: “Many things work!”

Ben Ellison

Ben Ellison

Panbo editor, publisher & chief bottlewasher from 4/2005 until 8/2018, and now pleased to have Ben Stein as a very able publisher, webmaster, and editing colleague. Please don't regard him as an "expert"; he's getting quite old and thinks that "fadiddling fumble-putz" is a more accurate description.

15 Responses

  1. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Speaking of how tablets are also changing the game for smaller boats, I think we just went into a new inning with Google’s announcement of the Nexus 7. Its specs smoke the Kindle Fire at the same friendly price of $199, and it’s got the goods to run nav programs and interface with devices like inReach:
    http://goo.gl/SpoRl

  2. Sandy Daugherty says:

    If Tiffany made nice lamp shades, then Lyman Morse is the ne plus ultra of Yacht Craft

  3. Peter says:

    Sunlight readable is a big thing to me.I once purchased a video camera that was useless outside because of the screen.The ipad and iphone are pretty useless too in the sun.My Canon camera’s screen is pretty good outside.
    If only they could all copy the transflective screen in my Garmin GPsMAp60 handheld that is brilliant in the sunlight.

  4. Taniwha says:

    Ben,
    Any idea why they didn’t use a distributed power system, given that the owner is clearly into this kind of stuff? There are a number of options out there now.
    It just seems a bit of a shame. Or did they start down that route and back off for some reason?
    Since I’ve just pulled all the old wiring out of my boat, and will be starting the installation of a C-Zone system in about a month, I’d be interested in any feedback on that.
    Cheers,
    Paul.

  5. Jeffrey Orling says:

    Very impressively neat wiring job! I suppose expected on such a yacht. I am a bit confused… Can’t these Furuno or similar be set to display all instrument data.. engine info GPS, sped log, wind and so forth on different screens? If so… why not simply have several of them in a line set to display different *screens*. My old ray C70 has selectable pages and I assume if I had a bunch of the I could have a different page on each one and cover all the instrument data on these devices.
    So why the iPads, and the ray displays? Am I missing something? Is this an attempt at redundancy.. different mfgs running quasi independently?
    While the install at the helm is beautifully done, the entire *aesthetic* to my eye.. varnished wood and high tech instrumentation is a bit of anachronism and jarring. I don’t know the solution of mixing good old brightwork with high tech… but I haven’t seen the combination successfully pulled off (to my eye).
    It IS always a problem planting all sorts of different devices with their own graphic/aesthetic attributes and making them work together visually.

  6. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Paul, the schedule on this project was always tight. I’ll put up some “before and after” shots in a future entry but besides all the electronics and helm furniture changes, this boat got three feet added to her stern! The owner also had a pretty strong sense of how far he wanted to go digitally, at least on round one. I’m not sure that actual distributed power will ever be in the cards but some of its features like digital switching could be added to the N2KView system fairly easily.
    Jeff, it’s true that you can display many common data values like depth or engine RPM on any one of those displays. But I see that as flexibility not waste. In fact, if it were my project and budget no issue, I might have used two i70’s at each helm. There’s so much you can do with them, and often better than you can on the other displays.
    Meanwhile the TZtouchs are so fantastic at charting, radar, sonar, and AIS graphics that I’d rather keep numbers off those screens, and I think that what’s this owner has in mind too. And, finally, neither the Furuno nor Raymarine are remotely close to N2KView in terms of engine and system monitoring and alarming, and N2KView is also handling the four fixed cameras on board. (There was hope to share those with the TZT’s but that’s an unresolved issue.)
    Lots on N2KView here:
    http://www.maretron.com/products/N2KView.php

  7. JonM says:

    Ben – Those stainless brackets securing the hoses are probably standard pipe clamps made by several manufacturers. At mcmaster.com they are known as “Weld-Mount Vibration-Damping Clamps for Pressurized Lines”.
    I often use the just the plastic core for mounting various things to rails, a monitor to a pole, etc.
    Jon

  8. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Thanks, Jon; it’s definitely possible that I got confused about that detail. I was a little overwhelmed! But it is noteworthy that Lyman Morse has a really serious metal fab shop even if they didn’t make those brackets.

  9. Adrian Richards says:

    Your bog is tremendously interesting and informative, but just what is n2k that you and others often mention?
    Regards, Adrian

  10. RoyHB says:

    Adrian;
    N2K is shorthand for NMEA2000. This is one of the technologies that is used to connect devices together on boats / ships.
    On a typical boat you might find instruments, chart plotters, sensors, etc all interconnected using NMEA2000.
    It’s quite different than the old way of interconnecting, which was called NMEA0183. One of the differences is that NMEA2000 is a ‘bus’ system where the old NMEA0183 was more of a point to point system (that sometimes required multiplexers or other such devices to achieve multiple device signal sharing
    NMEA devices from most manufacturers are generally able to converse with each other quite well. Some manufacturers have chosen to use non-standard plugs / sockets on their NMEA2000 systems but adapters are available for most combinations.
    Hope that helps
    RB

  11. Adam says:

    How much better are the Furuno TZTouch displays than everything else on the market? There must be something incredible about them to justify $5-7K for 9″ or 14″ displays.

  12. steverow says:

    Lovely Stuff, If only I had the money. but I can dream…
    Steve

  13. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    It did turn out that the Furuno TZT’s are not getting complete AIS info over NMEA 2000 from the Raymarine AIS 650. It’s not a matter of deciphering particular PGNs but rather getting all of them; apparently targets can appear fine but then disappear. I suspect that the problem is on the Furuno side, and know they’re working on it, but in the meantime this boat is going to get a Furuno AIS transponder instead.

  14. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Hmmm…apparently the FA-50 didn’t work right with the TZT’s either, not even a single one instead of the network of four.

  15. Tristan says:

    Wow, really impressive!
    I’m wondering why the owner didn’t go for any digital switching solutions such as Octaplex, MasterBus, CZone or even Capi2. It seems to me it would reduce lots of complexity to the panel (which is masterfully laid out), save some weight along the way, and most importantly have control of the panel and power distribution from any of the helm stations.
    This is a really cool project, keep us in the loop if you hear anything further!

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