Inventor of Ethernet confused by his new Garmin marine electronics!

Ben Ellison

Ben Ellison

Panbo editor, publisher & chief bottlewasher from 4/2005 until 8/2018, and now pleased to have Ben Stein as a very able publisher, webmaster, and editing colleague. Please don't regard him as an "expert"; he's getting quite old and thinks that "fadiddling fumble-putz" is a more accurate description.

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  1. I didn’t invent anything but I have successfully operated quite a few marine electronics systems and I find Garmin to be the least intuitive and therefore most vexing of them all not to mention the skimpy and terribly incomplete manuals they provide. I wish there was a website called – “what Garmin should have told you but didn’t”.

  2. Bob says:

    I’ve found Garmin to be the most intuitive (most of the time). Perhaps I need to get out more. If you really want an exercise in “huh??”, try dialing in a Standard Horizon VHF. This from a Computer Scientist!

    That said, I have to agree, Garmin manuals leave much to be desired.

  3. Joe Pica says:

    Ben I don’t see the SD slot in the picture of the back of the unit? Am I missing something obvious?

  4. Scott Booker Scott Booker says:

    I must admit that I’m surprised that the 010-01023-00 remote SD card reader wasn’t installed somewhere…..

    • Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

      Well, dang, I’m surprised that the Garmin 8616 install manual doesn’t mention the card reader when it talks about how you have to insert a card in the back before installation if there won’t be access.

      But I’m glad it exists (thanks, Scott) and kind of fun that it runs on the Garmin Marine Network, i.e. Ethernet…

      https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/p/102836

      • Luke says:

        The card reader was an after though that came months after the 86xx series was released. It also was not supported in the original firmware until SW16.00 so it’s important to update the firmware when installing the USB card reader.

        In testing I have found the USB card reader to be more reliable and faster than their older network card reader so I’m a big fan of it.

  5. Nick Reynolds says:

    It is one of my pet peeves is that these days manuals should not be necessary. Every menu choice should be descriptive, and accessing the menus should be clear. If I want to find a function and determine what it does, I should be able to scroll down into the menu structure to find it. It is silly that we even need manuals.

  6. Having the SD card slot in the back helps keep it more water resistant. Garmin reps have told me water resistance is something they take very seriously.

    Think of the SD card as a mandatory accessory. When selling a Garmin or Furuno MFD, I budget an extra hour in the shop to make sure it has the card, has up to date software, has the right charts, etc… Always easier than on the boat. Most of the harbors have less than ideal broadband for downloading gigabytes of software.

    The Garmin UI isn’t bad but it certainly is not intuitive especially for small simple functions if you have had no training or don’t use it regularly. (installers/dealers are among those who don’t use most features regularly) Many things are hidden in an effort to make the screen neat and uncluttered and maximize screen real estate. Big things like changing modes and organizing views are comparatively easy.

  7. We recently sold our Liberty 458 on which I installed the best of B&G and attempted to move all key controls to the helm. While the B&G gear supports many useful functions the actual implementation leaves a lot to be desired. I have a background in motorsport, automotive, defence and energy and three engineering degrees. I can make or fix anything. But seriously the technical implementation, bugs, complexity and non existent technical documentation of Marine electronics is woeful.

    I sympathize with Bob’s dilemma. I’m not impressed with the functional limitations and poor integratability of marine electronics. I suspect they’ll all be out of business once we see the growth in open source and integratable hardware from specialist vendors hit critical mass.

    I’ve already started building an opensource replacement for our new RV which will be reused in our next boat. The marine electronics industry is in such a mess and it has a ludicrously small revenue globally that unless they pivot and innovate I don’t see them lasting out the decade.

  8. Brian says:

    Ben, Bob Metcalf is definitely smarter than me even though he was a classmate at MIT. I have not invented anything.
    Nonetheless my Maine Cat P47 came equipped with Garmin MFDs etc and the first thing I did was duplicate everything with a set of Simrad gear – especially for the low power close in radar capability. I have found the Garmin tech support to be woefully deficient in process and data collection/management. Constant duplication of effort for them and customer. As for charting my go-to most reliable are both IPad Navionics and Win10 Coastal Explorer. The Garmin auto-routing is downright laughable. I would not recommend Garmin to anyone. You can forget the mainstream MFD’s etc and just install enough screen to get reliable depth and radar presentation. AN IPad with the Navionics app will get you safely anywhere you want to go.
    I recommend installing 12 or 24 volt to USB outlets throughout your vessel so AC outlets are unnecessary for
    charging. Brian

  9. Rob Bright says:

    Ben our Seattle Garmin rep is recommending the new USB card reader which we are installed one of so far this summer. It is faster when you have more network items because it works both with new and the ethernet network. It has the fancy name USB card reader making it hard to search for. It is USB powered unlike the Ethernet card reader which requires a voltage source 12 to 24.
    It is tiny I think less than 2×2 and uses the micro cards.

    https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/p/pn/010-02251-00

    • Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

      Thanks, Rob! I’m embarrassed to learn that there are two remote SD card solutions when I thought there were none, but a mention in the Install Manual would be nice. Then again, this highlights the value of a good company rep working with pro installers like you.

  10. Brian says:

    I mentioned in an earlier post installing these throughout the vessel – see below. We often have lotsa family overnight and all want to recharge there phones. These outlets remove the need to leave the inverter on overnight.
    Available on Amazon of course : YONHAN Quick Charge 3.0 Dual USB Charger Socket

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