Raymarine ST70 Plus, like music to my ears

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  1. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Thanks, Dan! It would be interesting to know what sensors and other devices were on your NMEA 2000 backbone and how well they worked with the ST70 Plus displays. I think we should also note that these displays, like the original ST70, are not NMEA 2000 certified, a tricky subject I plan to get into deeper later this week.

  2. grandsoleil says:

    Love, yes it sounds like it – but love with no wires….err strings — that would be a dream.
    Since I can picture placing displays forward in places other than the mast… so I can watch my performance while keeping my head out of the cockpit without the real love of my life – my real captain i.e. my crew…my wife… positioned directly in line of site.
    When you consider the installation costs of all that wiring – n2k standard would have you put one cable for each mast display – think of a single wireless repeater with multiple freestanding displays – positioned port and starboard based on the crew placement for different maneuvers. Of course there also downsides to having no wires…err strings.
    And don’t get me wrong – I like strings – have had a strategically reinforced one attached for the past 28 years.
    And Dan, my thinking let alone my circuits always seem a few steps behind yours.
    But some serious questions.
    Multiple Sensors: In some setups there are multiple sensors putting out the same information (say a PB200 with GPS output at masthead and another GPS at deck – or say a Simrad AP28 pilot which ‘creates’ reflective strings out of nothing for some reason)- not all displays are easily selective of the data they display – are these?
    Ipad ?bluetooth? repeater? – comparison of display visibility in the height of the August sun – you would have to keep the sT70Plus until then to do this!!

  3. sailoutbound says:

    Good writeup Dan,
    I really like the direction that Raymarine is taking this and think they should take it one step father. Why does there need to be so much differentiation between a “Plotter” and an “Instrument”? They are just displays, and should be able to display whatever you want like a chart, radar, or camera off of a networked plotter. I would love to get rid of a couple of my current four instruments at the helm and install one ST70 Plus that could also repeat the chart or radar display off of the plotter mounted under the dodger 7 feet away. I wouldn’t go the full client server route like Nexus, but NMEA data could be independent while other data is passed over ethernet.
    I agree with you on the price, but when you look at having to buy fewer instruments and not having to buy the autopilot display, I think it starts to make some sense. One gripe i have is that the autopilot for sailboats has those damn buttons instead of the rotary knob like on the power boat model. This is personal preference of course, but I have come to love the rotary knob on my old Robertson. All in all, I like it and would like to see more of this from other manufacturers.

  4. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Kenyon, interestingly there is a color all-in-one instrument display that’s sort of like an ST70, but with Ethernet as well as NMEA 2000 (and 0183). It’s the Geonav MID 110,and though Geonav hasn’t really specified what the Ethernet is for, I believe they are thinking along the same lines you are: http://goo.gl/FlWk3

  5. outbackgary says:

    What a fantastic display device. It would be good to see Raymarine (and others) truly get behind NMEA-2000 and have some user configurable pages for display of non navigation data as well.

    • Levels – fuel, black water, fresh water tank
    • Temperature – refrigeration, heating
    • Battery Management – volts, amps, capacity
    • Engine Gauges

    The only choice I had recently for the above data was a Garmin GMI-10. It would be good if future testing of this type of instrument made a point of covering the extent of NMEA-2000 pgn support.

  6. Chris says:

    I don’t have the ST70+. Instead, I have 4 Furuno FI-504s up on the mast and 3 Simrad IS-20s graphics and an AP24 on the bulkhead. This is a racing setup and I really prefer it to B&G 20/20s. The FI-504s are very nice, day and night. I haven’t integrated the IS20s yet but the AP24 is a display when it isn’t an AP head, a nice feature.
    I’m very curious about your playlist approach. Is it manual? Do you just have to change one display? What I’d really like is the ability to set the displays remotely from a laptop. I just rounded the windward mark. I’d like to change my displays for offwind. This requires some N2K protocol support because otherwise it’s manual and distracting.
    One BIG COMPLAINT I have with all of these displays is that I can’t display everything I want in whatever format I want. Case in point, the FI504 has a wonderful feature: pitch/roll. It can actually display pitch/roll information from the Airmar H2183. Upwind, roll is kinda nice to see on the mast. Downwind pitch is more important than you’d think. Nice feature. But while the Airmar will has subdegree accuracy, you can’t display it on the FI504. So instead it flips between 1 and 2.
    Furuno, if you’re listening. Great feature but N2K PGN 127257 has a resolution of 0.001 and the Airmar H2183 supports subdegree accuracy. Let us display tenths of a degree if we want to. One degree may seem like a lot but for pitch it isn’t.
    I had FI503s for the bulkhead but had to replace them with the Simrad IS20s. With the 503s, there are three display lines but you can only put certain things on certain lines. Again, let the customer decide what they want to display and where. I got rid of the 503s because although I had 6 display lines I could really only display 3 interesting pieces of information. Temperature is not interesting.

  7. bob bergoffen says:

    I think that Maretron has been doing this for some time with the DSM250. If you would like I can send you an update for N2K Builder

  8. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Gary, The ST70 and 70+ will definitely display some engine and system PGNS, screens here: http://goo.gl/luZDX
    Unfortunately, though, I don’t think Raymarine publishes lists of PGNs supported by any of its gear yet, and generally you can’t pick or name sources for multiple instances of the same PGN, like temperature (I saw how you’re using the GMI10 to monitor refrigeration).

  9. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Bob, if you mean showing NMEA 2000 data in color, the Maretron DSM250 certainly does, and it may understand more PGNs and N2K subtleties than any other all-in-one instrument display. But it doesn’t have Ethernet input like the Geonav MID 110 I commented about.

  10. outbackgary says:

    I can also verify that the DSM250 does the best job of all in having the broad pgn coverage of any NMEA-2000 instrument. If only Maretron could modernise the device with a better looking display and bezel.
    The Geonav MID 110 looks interesting but their detail specifications do not mention coverage for levels (other than fuel), temperature (other than ambient and sea water) and battery status. Looks like a good marketing opportunity for the Geonav.

  11. Dan Corcoran (b393capt) says:

    Sure Ben, the sensors on Breeze Pleeze include the following:
    NMEA2000 :
    Airmar PB200 weather station, Airmar H2183 solid state compass, Maretron DCM-100 Direct Current Monitor, Maretron TLM-100 Tank Level Monitor x 3
    NMEA 2000 (with Raymarine E-80 as a bridge to seatalk):
    Raystar 125 GPS
    Raymarine Speed, Depth
    E-80 Navigation Bearing to Waypoint
    Tested with ST70 & ST70+
    Depth, Speed, AWA, AWS, TWA, TWS, VMG Wind
    Heading, SOG, COG
    BTW, Log, Time
    Barometric Pressure, Sea Temp, & Air Temp

  12. Dan Corcoran (b393capt) says:

    The wiring is as follows:
    – Maretron mid sized cable backbone, Maretron field installable connector on Raymarine NMEA-2000 NG spur cable, two displays are then daisy chained with Raymarine NMEA-2000 NG spur cable
    – 12 gauge power cable (28 feet)

  13. Dan Corcoran (b393capt) says:

    Chris, playlist of course is my word for the capability (as compared to iPod), I believe Raymarine calls them configurations of which you can have 8. For example I have windward/leward racing as configuration 1, downwind as configuration 2, wife at helm as 3, etc.
    I then setup the two displays to be in a single group. So whenever I choose configuration 1, 2, etc. the two displays together switch to the windward/leward configuration, etc. Same goes with brightness and other options, the two displays change together in concert.

  14. Dan Corcoran (b393capt) says:

    An interesting project on-going by British Artist and ocean sailor Lia Ditton, that actually takes boat performance data and turns it into listening music (from her web page http://www.liaditton.com/
    • (Ongoing) The Open Boat Orchestra (OBO) Project is a unique venture, which transforms any boat with marine electronic instruments into a live digital orchestra. The commercial product derived from the ‘Open Boat Orchestra’ Project, the OBO Box, is a bespoke synthesizer that is driven by the boat’s telemetry to create a new form of experimental music. The brainchild of Lia Ditton, the OBO Box has been developed with musicians – ex-Duran Duran sound engineer, Mark Ty-Wharton consulting with TED Talks music director Thomas Dolby. The Open Boat Orchestra is about celebrating our experience of the sea, through the universal language of music.

  15. Chris says:

    if you are setting a group mode on one ST70 and the others are changing in lockstep then the one is configuring the others over N2K. Maybe the PGNs aren’t public yet but they’d be easily traced with an Actisense.

  16. outbackgary says:

    Where are the Maretron DCM-100 Direct Current Monitor, Maretron TLM-100 Tank Level Monitor x 3 displayed? Had you tried these on the ST70?

  17. Dan Corcoran (b393capt) says:

    Outbackgary, I did experiment with the ST70 and the DCM-100. A future entry will discuss the DCM-100 side by side with the now discontinued link 20 as a potential replacement. There are important pieces of DCM-100 information that are not available on the ST70 preventing an ST70 & DCM-100 combination from being a replacement for the link 20.

  18. Randy says:

    Configurable data displays/repeaters have been around awhile, and one drawback we noted with our customers was how much time was spent with head down trying to reconfigure or reset a display.
    Our solution generally had been to dedicate one display for showing depth, connected only to the most reliable depth source or directly to a smart transducer….this way you can rely on that one instrument for depth rather than searching on MFD or multi-data displays to find it.
    Many skippers don’t spend enough time making their electronics operation familiar enough, so we tried to find ways to make critical info and operations less confusing.

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