Smoothing the seas, pitch and roll control systems compared

Ben Stein

Ben Stein

Publisher of Panbo.com, passionate marine electronics enthusiast, 100-ton USCG master.

17 Responses

  1. mnts says:

    It’s nice that Zipwake is offering PRO upgrade kit. not cheap, but still nice they give the option, instead of full replacement.
    however need to see some results of the PRO to justify the spend.

  2. Moose says:

    we are installing our first set of pros shortly, i have played around with the running demo systems at the recent Sydney boat show. im impressed with how much faster they are compared to S series, and if the software has kept up it could be an interesting compeditor to seakeeper.. down here the Pro kit is about $2500 cheaper than seakeeper ride.

  3. george says:

    There are more systems that were not included such as Hydrotab interceptors .

    • Ben Stein Ben Stein says:

      There are numerous systems not compared. The hurdles of sourcing a boat, installing each system, etc limited how many systems I could compare on the water.

      -Ben S

    • Moose says:

      I installed two hydratab systems a few years ago. I’m pretty sure I was the only one to install them from our regional supplier. I had ……aallllloooootttttttt of issues with one set. Second set…not so much but quiet expensive with little to no support in my region.

      • Anonymous says:

        strange
        i have installed hundreds in Europe with zero issues and its is by far the most reliable and cheap system in the article

        • Ben Stein Ben Stein says:

          Too bad, I just went to their website to try and learn more. I can see the basic product pages but quite a few of the links are bad. The link to the SR series brochure gives an error that the document is unpublished, the learn about our technology link doesn’t work, and the product catalog is from 2019. I’ll reach out and try to get more info. I haven’t come across them in the U.S.

          I did some digging in the downloads section of their website and did find a few brochures and manuals. None of them list the deployment speed or other operational details. Do you have any of that info?

          -Ben S.

  4. george says:

    strange
    i have installed hundreds in my region since 2010 with no issues ,it is by far the best value system from the options in the article .

  5. One issue about which I am curious is the impact of these systems on autopilot performance. I have noticed over the years that the use of trim tabs can impart steering forces that can change how the boat responds to the rudder and confuse the autopilot and cause it to initiate incorrect course corrections. With one of these systems making hundreds of changes in trim per minute, I wonder if the autopilot will somehow ignore them or just get even more off track

    Did you try running on autopilot to see what happens?

    • Ben Stein Ben Stein says:

      Fred,

      If my understanding of the many forces involved is accurate, the steering forces you describe is yaw. Indeed, these systems can adversely impact the autopilot’s ability to accurately steer the boat. In my mind, I visualize this happening because if a stern mounted control device deploys or retracts, it is adding or reducing drag. That change in drag also has an impact on yaw. Essentially, the boat wants to rotate more or less about the stern based on asymmetrical deployment of port and starboard control devices. I think the real trouble comes when those corrections are made by an automatic system not coordinated with the autopilot. Imagine the port device deploys significantly to correct a roll, after a few seconds, the roll abates and the device retracts. As that happens, the port tab “grabs” the water and causes the boat to yaw to port. The autopilot sees the heading change to port and dials in starboard rudder. But, the autopilot is almost certainly slower than the pitch and roll control system. So, by the time it puts in that starboard correction, it’s not needed. In fact, there’s every chance the boat is now rolling the other way and the autopilot’s correction will only exacerbate this. The end result is a fishtailing effect and possibly even the autopilot disengaging with an error because it believes its inputs are ineffective.

      Seakeeper says that their yaw mitigation minimizes the effect. In my testing on the water, I didn’t do any formal testing but anecdotally I definitely noticed better performance from Ride.

      -Ben S.

      • Yes that is exactly the issue. The very rapid response rate of the Seakeeper Ride system could possibly be so quick to manage yaw that the autopilot controller would not perceive and respond to the minor course changes the way it does when the yaw is introduced by trim tabs that are being manually adjusted intermittently.

        Interesting issue worth a test if you are on a boat with Seakeeper Ride that also has autopilot. My boat would probably have been a good candidate for one of these systems. She is a very light cold-molded express sportfish and consequently quite sensitive to trim. Even having a 200 lb crew member move from the port to starboard helm bench necessitates some adjustment of the trim tabs. That will also cause the autopilot to steer less accurately and generate greater cross track error steering to a waypoint if I don’t adjust the trim tabs. Too late now, it would have been more feasible eight years ago when I had her built.

  6. And the best kind from your perspective — someone else’s money! But I am sure the builder could modify the trim tab recesses and create a nice recessed mount for the Seakeeper actuators…. fortunately I just had my boat hauled yesterday for winter and it’s too late to organize winter in Beaufort, NC.

    • Ben Stein Ben Stein says:

      You are correct, someone else’s money is indeed the best kind to spend. All kidding aside, a boat that is sensitive to trim is probably a very good candidate for Ride. Seakeeper has, to my understanding, developed some clever ways of filling pockets and mounting to the transom, though that may or may not work with your configuration. I imagine it would be a worthwhile, though several boat bucks, upgrade. Perhaps some day down the line…

      -Ben S.

  7. Chris Marteen says:

    Was the Lightning system by Humphree ever considered for the test? From what I’ve understood, they pioneered the active trim and stabilisation market. Only been out once with a CC with ”the lightning” installed, but the performance was jaw dropping! Impressive how you can change the dynamics of a boat with the push of a button.

    • Ben Stein Ben Stein says:

      Chris,

      Yes, I tried to get in touch with Humphree to include them in the comparison but wasn’t successful connecting with anyone there. I did some digging with colleagues and found my experience isn’t unique. Unfortunately, coverage without help from the manufacturer is very difficult.

      -Ben S.

  8. Omar says:

    Thank you Ben! For providing full in-depth review on all three of the systems. Have been searching in comparison for all three of these and this is the only one I found so far with extensive details

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