Orca offers smart navigation with your tablet or theirs

Ben Stein

Ben Stein

Publisher of Panbo.com, passionate marine electronics enthusiast, 100-ton USCG master.

46 Responses

  1. Mark says:

    Thank you for the great review! I’ve been watching the announcements for the Orca products and wondered if the hardware and software were going live up to the hype and be good enough to compete. Sounds like they are heading in the right direction. The only very minor suggestion I’d make is that I was able to get wind speed/direction on Aqua Map via wifi.

  2. Ben, will the Orca app incorporate the Bob423 tracks eventually? They are extremely helpful for AICW navigation. Also, will they incorporate the Explorer Chartbook recommended tracks for the Bahamas?

    • Most people do not know what goes into the forming of the Bob423 tracks, believing them to only be the tracks of one individual going along the ICW twice a year. Such is not the case. If an individual wanted to make his own tracks with the same degree of accuracy, he would have to follow these steps:

      – travel the ICW twice a year recording tracks with depths
      – pour over USACE surveys weekly for updates to depths and forming shoals
      – have contacts in USACE send you dredging contracts so you know where the dredging channels will be in newly dredged areas. In saving money, some of the channels are only 75 ft wide and can easily be missed – some are not in the visual center. The contracts detail exactly (for environmental reasons) the path, width, snd depth of cut. I convert the centerline of the path to a Bob423 track through the dredged area.
      – collect tracks with embedded depths from other boaters for analysis and updates. For me, that’s the Bob423 surveyors who travel the ICW throughout the year with the sane setup I have, embedding depth reading into the track data using Aqua Map.. Other boaters would have to develop their own network.
      – collect verified depth data on new shoals from my 19,000 member ICW Cruising Guide Facebook page

      All of the above data is then incorporated into revised tracks as required, sometimes with weekly updates, but usually every few months throughout the year.

      • Thanks for jumping in on this discussion, Bob. Is my understanding correct that your Tracks are only currently running on AquaMap? Would it require a licensing agreement for other Apps to be able to integrate them?

        • They are free to be used on any navigation device that accepts GPX files.

          • Aqua Map does not own the tracks, I do, and they are free to use anywhere.

          • Hey, Kristian from Orca here.

            Fantastic work you are doing. We’d be super happy to incorporate these GPX tracks as part of our chart processing pipeline. We’re constantly adding new data sources, and while our current focus has been in Europe, we’re shifting focus westwards very soon.

            Do you have any “master GPX” file that contains all of your latest tracks, or would you advise us to download section by section?

  3. Ted Arisaka Ted Arisaka says:

    Robert Sherer (aka Bob423) today shares his GPX tracks freely and they can be put on other Apps already.

  4. Ted Arisaka Ted Arisaka says:

    Ben: Nice article on Orca. Competition improves the breed! I’m a volunteer beta tester for Aqua Map. I’d point out that it does indeed show WIND data. Also Aqua Map users can contribute their recorded track data (encoded with depths) to NOAA and the International Hydrographic Organization’s Crowd Sourced Bathymetry project.

  5. Ted Arisaka Ted Arisaka says:

    Ben: Nice article on Orca. Competition improves the breed! I’m a volunteer beta tester for Aqua Map. I’d point out that it does indeed show WIND data. Also Aqua Map users can contribute their recorded track data (encoded with depths) to NOAA and the International Hydrographic Organization’s Crowd Sourced Bathymetry project. And one can “publish” one’s user data (tracks, routes, waypoints) for other Aqua Map users to download or automatically keep in sync.

    • Ben Stein Ben Stein says:

      You’re right on both points. As I mentioned, I’m planning on doing a roundup of all the tablet nav apps out there. The reality is even that will struggle to capture all the features and differences of the apps. That’s especially true of Aqua Map and some of the advanced implementations they’ve done. For example, while many apps have anchor alarms, I think Aqua Maps’ is differentiated for its advanced features and remote sharing.

      -Ben S>

  6. Giorgio says:

    In the table there is also a wrong information regarding the Crowd Sourced Data. Only Aqua Map has both ACC and Waterway Guide data.

    • Ben Stein Ben Stein says:

      You’re right Giorgio, my apologies. I had Aqua Map and Navionics’ crowd-sourced information swapped. I’ve fixed that and updated to indicate Aqua Map supports wind data via WiFi.

      -Ben S>

  7. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    It looks to me like Orca has unlocked tremendous potential — much of it already realized — by combining their WiFi app and optional tablet with a certified NMEA 2000 sensor that also obviously contains a lot of processing power. An especially impressive example, I think, is their multi major brand autopilot control:

    “Once connected, Orca’s Autopilot Control is seamlessly integrated into the autopilot network – and it will mirror the controls and status of your standalone autopilot display. Any interaction you make in Orca will be shown on your standalone display and vice versa.”

    https://getorca.com/features-and-functionality/autopilot-control/

    https://getorca.com/blog/orca_autopilot_control/

  8. Geoff Vaughan says:

    Does anyone know how to speak to a person in this company please?

  9. Jochen Luhrs says:

    Hi Ben, thank you for this article on Orca. As for sailing routing did you have a look at Weather4D, https://www.weather4d.com/. This navigation app focuses at sailing routing and I have been using it in Europe, Brasil and the West Indies. They have a great support and Manual in English.
    -Jochen-

  10. Bruce Balan says:

    Hi Ben,
    I don’t think you are a curmudgeon in the least… auto routing makes little sense. It’s just good seamanship to create your route and KNOW your route. There is simply no reason to entrust the safety of your crew and boat to an algorithm.

    On another note, when you review nav apps, I hope you will include OpenCPN. It’s the best app out there because it is designed by people who actually are on boats rather than engineers sitting at a desk. It’s free and there are free charts for a huge area of the world… including MBTiles of satellite images. (see TheChartLocker.com for examples). No subscription needed and you can switch between multiple chart sources which is the safest way to navigate as all chart sources include errors somewhere. Install an inexpensive Pitufino nav gateway (https://www.pitufa.at/pitufino/) which DOES share all NMEA (0183 and N2K) to all devices and you have everything you need.
    Cheers,
    Bruce

    • Christian says:

      Thanks, Bruce, for mentioning the Pitufino gateway. Indeed, this little box for 250 bucks gives you several Orca features like full Autopilot control, alarm integration, and it comes with sophisticated instrument/display apps for free…

  11. Chris says:

    Hi
    Thanks for the review.
    Does the Orca Display 2 work standalone without the Core unit?

  12. Samir Elbaguer says:

    Thank you for this great review. I’m seriously considering ordering one of these for use on charter boats and for work on comercial vessels.
    I have two questions that I can’t find an answer to . Is there a suction cup mount on the market that is capable to support its weight and, as far as integration with boat sensors, will it read data sent from yacht devices YDWG-02?

  13. It reads from YachtD. Those guys are fantastic at being 100% N2K compliant.

    As for suction mount, yes, there is one that supports the Display 2’s weight.

    https://rammount.com/collections/popular-components-c-size/products/rap-365-224-1u#

    This one works well for non-planing. Wouldn’t use this in any fast or small vessels where vibration/shocks are present. In that case I’d go for a RAM clamp mount w quick release/clamp.

  14. Friedel says:

    Hi,
    thank you for your great review.
    I am about to order a “complete” Orca system.
    But I can’t find the dimensions (lenght x width or diameter x thickness) of the core on getorca.com.
    Can anyone of you post these please.
    Tia Friedel

  15. Robert says:

    Like the comparison chart showing differences between Aqua Map, Navionics and Orca.

    An importgant point that is not covered by your chart – how current (or not) are the charts and ATON data for each?

    I asked Navionics about currency of the chart data, and update cycles and got mostly evasive answers until I insisted on an actual answer which turned out to be that charts are reall only updated about once a year. All that update stuf offerd daily – is likely sonar chart and active captain data. NOT new charts or new ATON data.

    Aqua Map updates charts within a few weeks after NOAA releases new charts, Similar for updates for Army Corps of Engineers data. USCG ATON data is updated swiftly. This is why Aqua Map is the app I trust the most. Plus, with Aqua Map you long press on the screen and see the age of the underlying NOAA chart data, or Army Corps of Engineers data. I have never figured out a way to see that info in Navionics.

    Orca – I asked months ago, and the answer I got was not encouraging. To be fair, I don’t remember the precise answer, but the gist was that they updated charts only infrequently and that USCG LNM or light list corrections were not part of any interime updates.

    Marine charts are never as up to date as you would like, But, of the three – I think Aqua Map does the best in giving you the most current data.

    • Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

      Robert, I agree that Navionics is lax at providing source/date info about their chart data, whereas C-Map has historically been quite informative in this area, proving that it’s fairly easy to do. However, I think that someone misinformed you about how frequently Navionics processes HO chart updates. I believe it’s a high priority and is being done constantly. In fact, they claim 234,037 nautical chart updates in the last year, and those are differeniated from Sonar Chart and AC community edits:

      https://www.navionics.com/usa/charts/features/daily-updates

      • Robert says:

        Interesting. When I asked Navionics specifically, how long after NOAA publishes new data will it show up on Navionics, the answer I eventually got was that new NOAA chart data was incorporated on a rolling cycle, but about once a year.

        Entirely possible that I got bad info. Since I had trouble getting Navionics to answer the question at all, and early responses suggested tech support didn’t actually understand the question.

    • Navionics updates their charts on different cycles depending on the feature. The ATONs are updated manually based on the LNMs and occasionally from mariner input. However, they occasionally miss an ATON, sometimes critical ones like they did at the confusing ICW area just north of Beaufort, NC. They did a manual update to the ATON locations there after reading my note. They also lag the LNMs data, it takes time to move the ATON icon on their charts (SonarChart and Nautical Charts). Aqua Map Master updates ATON locations using the weekly digital version of the LNMs issued by the Coast Guard, no manual intervention required, no delays.

      SonarChart is the main driver of the data volume of updates with the vast majority of data devoted to redrawing depth contours based on boater uploads using their proprietary algorithms that they do not share. The user has no way of knowing the dates of the uploads that the contours are based upon. However, the contours always lag the actual depth in areas that change the most such as Lockwoods Folly, Browns Inlet, and many other such areas. However, SonarChart is quite good in stable areas like Jekyll Island where their contours overlay the USACE survey almost exactly.

      Aqua Map updates their base NOAA charts four times a year. They update the USACE surveys as they are uploaded by each USACE district which depends on the frequency of the surveys. It can be as quick as a few weeks or less for a rapidly shoaling area like Lockwoods Folly to a year for long stretches of the ICW not near inlets. You always know the age of the USACE survey being displayed as you pointed out by using a long press on the survey.

      Navionics seems to do a bottoms up update of the Nautical Chart about once a year from the NOAA charts for features such as contours. This can be seen in their Nautical Chart contours for Jupiter Inlet and other places.

      My observations above are based on my experience in using Navionics charts on the ICW. Perhaps their updates are more frequent elsewhere.

      • Robert says:

        I asked Aqua Map, and their update cycle is faster/more frequent than I remembered:

        Hello Robert,

        NOAA Charts > weekly update

        A Co E Surveys > weekly update

        USCG data > daily update

        Pietro
        Aqua Map Support

  16. Robert, yes. I got the update from Aqua Map too. I don’t know of any other app with weekly NOAA ENC updates formatted for their chart offerings. OpenCPN and SEAiq will load NOAA ENC charts as is but without the readability of Aqua Map charts. I plan on investigating charts from Navionics and Garmin and comparing them to the current NOAA ENC charts to track when a change in the ENC chart shows up in their processed charts. The last time I looked, they were on a yearly cycle for their processed chart offerings except for manual updates of ATON locations which were more often.

    The daily update of ATON locations is amazing. I had thought it was weekly.

    Of course, the jewel in all of this is the USACE surveys which are only included with Aqua Map, updated weekly.

    • Robert says:

      Rosepoint Coastal Explorer adds new NOAA chart data on a very quick cycle as well. When I asked them, I believe the answer was that new NOAA charts are made available in Coastal Explorer within a couple of business days after NOAA publishes them. Not sure that I asked RosePoint about how quickly ATON changes are reflected.

      I think there is a LOT to like about Aqua Map – the presentation of the Corps of Engineers survey data is just brilliant. And, Aqua Map is very transparant about the age of the data – I prefer to know if I am looking at recent data or old data.

  17. Toni says:

    I cannot find the info anywhere, is the orca core nmea-2000 certified?

  18. Ben Stein Ben Stein says:

    Previously, Orca premium could only be purchased if you owned a Core or Display. As of today, Orca has changed that policy so premium is available independently of their hardware. They’ve published a blog post about it at https://getorca.com/blog/orca_premium_general_availability/.

    I don’t think I realized this restriction when I published this review, but regardless, it’s gone now!

    -Ben S.

  19. Ben Stein Ben Stein says:

    Orca has announced the Core 2. Their blog entry (https://getorca.com/blog/orca_core_2_radar_support/) says the revised Core features all new internals. But, the most noticeable difference is the inclusion of an Ethernet interface (using the NMEA OneNet specified X-coded M12 connector) which enables connectivity with radar scanners. Out of the gate, Orca supports Raymarine Quantum radars.

    The blog shows radar overlay views and I’m not sure if there is a traditional radar scope interface as well. But, the interface to control the radar unit looks quite elegant.

    -Ben S.

    • Since Aqua Map will run on their system, will Aqua Map have access to the radar overlay?

      • Ben Stein Ben Stein says:

        I don’t think so. Aqua Map will run on their tablet, but the tablet is basically a ruggedized Android tablet. Their app can leverage WiFi to connect to the Core and utilize additional sensor data. My understanding is the Core’s data stream isn’t like the NMEA 0183 streams used by most nav apps. Even if Orca were to implement an 0183 stream, it wouldn’t carry radar data. For Aqua Map to display radar they would need to be able to decode the data stream and display it.

        On the other hand, an Orca Display 2, paired with a Core 2, running in split screen mode with the Orca app and Aqua Map puts a lot of navigation information on that screen.

        -Ben S.

  20. One very small nitpicking thing, Army Corps of Engineers use USACE on all their websites, not ACOE.

  21. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Orca just announced the Core 2, and I’m impressed with the detailed testing they conducted and published versus the highly capable and accurate Furuno SCX-20:

    https://getorca.com/blog/new-orca-core-2

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