MTA: Do new electronics need to play nice with legacy systems?

Ben Ellison

Ben Ellison

Panbo editor, publisher & chief bottlewasher from 4/2005 until 8/2018, and now pleased to have Ben Stein as a very able publisher, webmaster, and editing colleague. Please don't regard him as an "expert"; he's getting quite old and thinks that "fadiddling fumble-putz" is a more accurate description.

11 Responses

  1. Christopher says:

    Assuming they are trainable.

  2. John - gCaptain says:

    I consider myself a pretty tech savy guy (I’ve helped program iPhone apps, decoded NMEA strings and built websites) which is why I’m so frustrated by Raymarine. For the life of me I can’t figure out integrating older raymarine devices with the seatalkNG system. The remote for my autopilot, for example, didn’t read the information from my gauges… so Iw as told to by a SeaTalk-SeaTalkNG converter… now the data shows on the remote but I can’t control the autopilot.
    I’m not typically one to complain but… why don’t my Garmin, Furuno or Simrad systems ever run into these problems? I’d prefer NMEA 183 to the Raymarine mess I’m in. Or is it just me?

  3. Christopher says:

    Ben, is there a fix for the spam notification issue? I never see spam on the site, but I routinely get emails notifying me of spam comments.

  4. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    It’s a timing issue, Christopher, and we haven’t yet solved it. Email notifications go out when a comment enters the system, even if the comment hasn’t been approved yet. Of course I trash spam comments, but you’ve already been notified about them.
    The good news is that very few spams get by the captcha process. We are working on a fix, but if the spam notifications really make your life difficult, all you have to do is uncheck “Receive email notifications of further comments” in a thread, or simply hit the “no longer wish to receive notifications” link at the bottom of one you receive.

  5. Christopher says:

    Yes, that makes sense. What is potentially problematic for Panbo is its email address is beginning to be cross-correlated with spam body text in some Bayesian filtering systems.
    When this happened early on, Panbo emails went to the Inbox, Now my email service sends them to the spam folder.
    The problem with turning off notification is it turns off notification. Who’d want that?
    It’s what white-lists are for. 😉

  6. Dan Corcoran (b393capt) says:

    Reading the most recent MTA entry,, has made this prior entry more clear to me, but somehow it dosn’t seem right that mobile devices are on the bottom of the list of importance with integration of legacy systems, and safety is on the top of the list.
    Mobile devices on bottom –> I can see why it is on the bottom, certainly I am not going to decide between an iThing and an Android based on which will interface to my boats legacy system. However, if I answered the question “Do new electronics need to play nice with mobile devices, my answer would be yes for some categories of marine electronics.
    Safety on top –> I think the result is incorrect, more likely an emotional response to the word “safety”. Why? Because it is exceptionally rare to come across a boat which has their DSC capable VHF interfaced to their GPS (to enable the DSC safety capabilities of the VHF.) Surely if it was important, boat owners could connect those two wires, program an MMSI number, etc.
    Am i wrong ?

  7. mta1 says:

    Thank you for engaging this thread. We need the dialog. We are seeing dissonance in the market on the integration issue with many device categories, these two included.
    At approx 300 survey responses for 2011, the numbers for importance of integration are:
    1. Mobile: 2.52
    2. Safety: 3.20
    On Mobile: We would agree with you. Mobile devices do need to play nice with some systems. Is the low response rooted in the fact that the larger market (i.e. operator not likely classified as ‘power user’) is using their mobile device as a stand-along platform for redundant, new and experimental applications?
    This would make sense to us, but, still not answer the core questions: requirement for integration and ease of integration.
    Meanwhile layering in new mobile applications on top of existing infrastructure, even if redundant, is a safe, proven approach in a number of segments.
    Could it be that the term integration is still read as largely a physical versus logical integration? And well, the point of having a mobile device is so that one does not need to be physically connected?
    We are exploring your questions.
    On safety: We see your points, but we think the market is moving a little faster here.
    We also see safety as one of the strongest perfoming sub-segments in the market.
    The investment in safety is in clearly defined product categories, myriad configurations and, yes, integration.
    More coming.
    Thank you.

  8. Dan Corcoran (b393capt) says:

    My pleasure. I am confused, wouldn’t your comment about power users apply to safety products? It seems to me the non-power users are not at all interfacing safety systems to legacy systems (case in point VHF radios to GPS lat/long source)?
    Had an interesting conversation with my friend and his sailboat HARD TACK. He is about to have his VHF serviced (remote microphone not working) by the yard, and has no interest in connecting it to his GPS despite having read articles promoting Rescue 21 and how to use it.

  9. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Dan, I’m confused too. Safety is NOT at the top of the “Importance of integration with legacy systems” results described in this entry. Check the table; Safety is below the middle with Displays and Controls at the top. Safety IS at the top of the “Sensitivity to RELIABILITY” results that you linked to, which makes sense. Did I misunderstand something here or did you get mixed up?

  10. mta1 says:

    Ben highlighted what is likely the confusion: Safety shows up below the mean and the median with respect to importance of integration withe legacy systems; but at the top in terms of reliability.
    We saw Dan’s points and agreed, but, did not correct his ‘safety on top’ pretext. Our bad.
    That said, it raises need for another point of clarification for our comments: We do not see current acute need, or significant near-term demand in change of need, for safety system integration generally.
    However, we are seeing more interest in integrating multiple safety subsystems into a larger, coherent safety regime.
    Which raises another interesting question for a new round of investigation: Integration into WHICH legacy systems?
    Thank you.

  11. Dan Corcoran (b393capt) says:

    For the life of me I cannot figure how I misread that.

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