Blue Heron Extreme series battery, feature rich and high performance

Ben Stein

Ben Stein

Publisher of Panbo.com, passionate marine electronics enthusiast, 100-ton USCG master.

19 Responses

  1. Moose says:

    So I posted on the diy solar forum a few months ago ….trying to find who the man behind the curtain is with these batteries.
    Blue heron seems to be another brand using the same ..everything ..as
    Invicta
    Bla
    Redarc
    Enerdrive -dometic
    Epoch
    SOK

    No shade…the I run Invicta batteries in alot of builds for that reason. But all of these brands are being built by somebody. Would love to know who.
    I questioned if roypow may be the wizard. Being they build epochs batteries but no answer.

    • Moose says:

      I’m such an idiot I totally skipped the paragraph where you mentioned this exact thing lol
      Carry on !

    • Moose says:

      I’m such an idiot I totally skipped the paragraph where you mentioned this exact thing lol
      I will add that looking at the internals. I’d say the Invicta battery has a better construction but no doubt more expensive. The app however is identical
      Carry on !

  2. Jim Duke says:

    I totally agree that the 13.8v float CVL (and manipulation of CCL) is not an ideal approach. The low absorption (13.8 or 14.0v) voltage is fine, just a bit slower to fully saturate the cells and a minimal capacity hit, if they aren’t fully absorbed nearer the top end of the SOL, but holding the cells, potentially 24/7, so far into the knee of the charge curve at 13.8v and well above full charge resting voltage is an approach I have turned off on my two 12v Topband “family cousins” and won’t employ in the 60 ah 24v version I have for my bowthruster upgrade. In my year with the 12v’s, they have done very well with the 14.2v/13.5v profile but the balance has been disappointing, perhaps because of the limited time above 13.8v in 14.2v absorption with a 3% tail current. The balancing circuit may need more time above 13.8v…IDK. I do know the BMS SOC will reset at 13.8v.

    I keep my sloop in the same small sleepy town in the Northern Neck as Blue Heron. The folks at Blue Heron are top-notch systems builders and these are great batteries…especially if they can get the firmware configuration to operate a little more like the conventional LFP charging profile. I’d like to see that with the other Topband cousins, too.

    Nice review. I think these are a great value in the higher tier internal BMS batteries.

  3. Dan Corcoran says:

    Choosing one of these batteries also requries, short of just using our smartphone, a choice to replace or reconfigure battery monitors.

    E-13 requires we rig an audiable alarm, there is mention of having 30 seconds warning of a BMS shut-down. Almost all of us will be installing batteries where an integrated alarm signal won’t be audiable at the wheel. I understand from installers on two battery installations, a common scenario is to have one battery shutdown and remain so escaping the attention of the boat owner for much of the season.

    I would value a future article around all the options for external battery monitoring to address this. For example for this battery many Victron options are shown and an NMEA-2000 communication option (with little detail). Maybe include other battery monitors that are common like the Balmar SG-200 that claim to also support LiFePO4.

    Thank you!

    • Jim Duke says:

      the E13 disconnect audible alarm recommendation in the 2022 E13 standard was never a requirement. It was a note and therefore a “should.” By the way, That note was dropped in the 2025 E-13 revision.

      It IS still a great recommendation and it can be done in several ways. The Blue Heron/Topband family have canbus signaling which make this even easier through a GX. (Signal K and/or node red).

      Here’s my plug for joining ABYC for all the included standards, it at least buying the standards you want and reading them directly. They are not easy, at first, to interpret and there are many, many nuances that can get convoluted without experience or context. E-11, is the meat and potatoes. E-13 is still only a small component of the LFP upgrade safety standards.

  4. Lewis Graham says:

    Nice article.
    Does this battery include an internal fuse (similar to the Epoch high end batteries)?

    • Ben Stein Ben Stein says:

      Lewis,

      It does not include an output fuse as the Epcoh Elite series does. There are fuses on the board itself, but I believe those are there to protect against individual component failures on the board. If any of those trip, it’s the end of the BMS.

      -Ben S.

  5. Hi Ben,
    I’m a bit confused about the issue of the CVL being 13.8. If you had properly configured charging sources (solar, AC or alternator) wouldn’t they drop their “float” voltage to a lower level and solve the problem? It would be nice, of course, to have the battery do it, but it shouldn’t be a problem.
    Hartley

    • Ben Stein Ben Stein says:

      Hartley,

      My apologies for missing this and your next question.

      To answer this question first, no, a correctly configured charger following DVCC won’t drop its float voltage lower than what is being requested by a DVCC integrated battery. Effectively, DVCC overrides the charge profile settings. While you can set upper limits on DVCC parameters, you can’t override the rest without disabling it.

      -Ben S.

      • I see – OK, the concept of the battery controlling the “controller” for those charging sources had be confused 🙂 For sure I don’t have any of that on Atsa, so it just didn’t occur to me.
        Hartley

        • Lewis Graham says:

          I notice in the Victron screen shots “Request Charging = No” Doesn’t this mean the battery is sending info over the Victron comms but is not implementing DVCC?

  6. And now I’ve thought of another question.. 🙂 I see that this battery (like many others) offers heating for low-temperature charging. How, exactly does it work? When I built my external heater for my Victron battery, I set it so that it uses raw solar panel power to run the heater (22V or so) – that way it doesn’t draw power until the system is ready to charge. In Maryland in January, I could see the battery warming up as soon as the sun cracked the horizon, raising the battery 4-5 degrees C in a couple of hours.
    I had heard that these internal heaters somehow use power from the charge side, but since charge & load would seem to be both connected to the same terminal, how does that work?

    Hartley

    • Ben Stein Ben Stein says:

      Hartley,

      The exact functionality varies from manufacturer to manufacturer and battery to battery. But, the basic ideas remain fairly consistent. Most BMSs use logic to control heating. If there is charge current coming into the battery, turn on the heater. If, with the heater on, the battery is operating at a deficit, that is now discharging, turn the heater back off. Typically, there are tiered delays associated with these actions. If there’s a lot of current coming in, turn the heater on quickly. If there’s a lot of current going out, turn the heater off quickly. If the current flows are smaller, use longer delays. In many cases, and depending on the temperature of the cells, the BMS will disconnect the charge MOSFETs to ensure no energy reaches the cells when they’re too cold to accept a charge. But, there are complications to that approach. The biggest of which is that when a MOSFET is disconnected, it directs current through the body diode and generates heat. So, if there is a large discharge current on the battery, the BMS can’t leave the charge MOSFETs disconnected or they risk cooking them.

      Hopefully that answers your question.
      -Ben S.

      • Hi Ben! It does – I am pleased to hear they’ve done some innovation in this area, as the potential for just running the battery flat trying to keep itself warm on a cold (and chargeless) night would be discouraging. I ran into this where we store ATSA for the winter these days – we can’t leave her plugged in, and the nights can be very cold & long in December! I was surprised how few watts of energy were required to bring them back up over 5 degrees C on some of those frosty mornings 🙂
        Hartley

  7. Daniel Westrick says:

    Notwithstanding the features and quality of the batteries reviewed the fact that Blue Heron is a newer, smaller vendor weighs against paying such a premium price. What reason does a buyer have to believe that Blue Heron will be around for the expected lifespan of the batteries they are offering? The LIFEPO4 market is volatile and rapidly changing, brands come and go, and the price gap between good quality budget batteries and premium models have become absurd. Kilovault was another premium brand made by Topband. Their main claim to fame was that they were UL listed and had a communication port. They closed abruptly without ever implementing any features using the port, there is no support ,and even the Bluetooth app is unavailable to IOS users. It would seem that for most people buying cheap makes more sense and for that small segment of the market that actually needs Victron or other communication capabilities they would be better off going with a vendor that is unlikely to go away.

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