C-Maps in Coastal Explorer, never enough charts!

Ben Ellison

Ben Ellison

Panbo editor, publisher & chief bottlewasher from 4/2005 until 8/2018, and now pleased to have Ben Stein as a very able publisher, webmaster, and editing colleague. Please don't regard him as an "expert"; he's getting quite old and thinks that "fadiddling fumble-putz" is a more accurate description.

12 Responses

  1. Brian says:

    Ben, Nice specific on how multiple chart sources can be so helpful – and sometimes necessary. I am feeling really good about my plan to include Coastal Explorer, Garmin, and Simrad displays at my helms. The incremental cost is quite justified by the confidence with which you can pilot through new and sometimes confusing waters. With multiple helms an iPad as a secondary display is a real bargain. BTW I highly recommend the Lifeproof waterproof iPad case. I suspect it is the least obtrusive of the many choices and certainly waterproof – short of swimming with it.
    Best wishes for fairer weather as you continue north. Brian

  2. Don Joyce says:

    Took a look at C-map charts for Beaufort using MaxSea. Those nice yellow markers indicate danger…shoal water when I query them. Does the same happen with Coastal Explorer?

  3. Richard C says:

    The C-Map charts could have lead you into a very serious situation had you followed what looked like a dredged channel. Some salvage company would have claimed Gizmo and all the nice electronics equipment in the above picture.
    Good thing you have so many chart screens to draw from, but what about the average boater with only C-Map charts and poor visibility? I guess that’s where the start up disclaimer screen comes in handy. Is there any way to report something like this to C-Map?

  4. Johnd says:

    Good for you for looking out the window and seeing the danger marks! Half the electronic chart mishaps would solve themselves if folks also looked up from their screen as you did and asked, does that make sense?
    The C-MAP display is terribly confusing, if I’m honest I’d also see it as a channel.
    Happy boating.

  5. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Actually, Richard, I suspect that the C-Map channel is correct, as the same information is shown on the NOAA ENC. So I probably could have driven through the Russell Slough, but the C-Map was not good about highlighting the possible shoaling and I definitely could have learned more about what I was getting in to before I got there!
    NOAA has not made this area easy to understand. Here are the results I get just in Coastal Explorer when trying to figure out what those beacons are about, as Don suggested:
    NOAA RNC 11545, 1:40,000 scale, updated 3/23/2013: shows White beacons “A” and “B” with 1-foot spot sounding in between. Ditto for chart 11541, same scale and update date. 1/3/2012 dated Nav-Chart copies of the same rasters show the area the same way.
    NOAA ENC US5NC18M, 1:40,000, updated 3/15/2013: If you have CE “Vector” controls set to “full display” and “show all chart text” the beacons are titled “Russell Slough Channel Warning Daybeacon” A and B. These titles do not show if you are using the less busy “show important text only” but you can get them by clicking on the beacon. They show no color if you’ve set vector symbols in CE to “traditional” and yellow if set to “simplified”. But if you dig into the chart object info for the beacons it describes them as general warning mark colored white. The area marked 1-foot on the raster is shown on the ENC as a dredged channel with “maintained depth” of 4.9 feet. But there’s also that Caution area mark with object detail “shoal area”. Confused yet?
    So what C-Map did do with this?
    C-Map 1:40,000 scale, dated 1/30/2013 and sourced to NOAA 11541C: If you zoom out enough you see “0” feet between two yellow beacon symbols (in both CE C-Map choices of “American” or “International” symbols). Click on the beacon gets “Beacon Special Purpose, Yellow” in pop-up but if you dig into properties you can find “Top Mark, NW WORDED DANGER SHOAL” though it’s still supposed to be Yellow.
    C-Map 1:9,582 scale, dated 2/1/2013, sourced to “XX, Local, Graph, NC019, Non-official Port/Marina Handbook”: same beacon display, but here’s where they show the continuous channel dredged to “4.99 feet”
    One last note. I like the way C-Map shows spot sounding in whole feet — instead of those annoying fractional references you see on many vector charts — but it is a little odd they often show one less foot than the NOAA data they are based on.

  6. Don Joyce says:

    You mentioned that the C-map charts often display 1 ft. less than the NOAA charts they reference. This isn’t a C-map issue in my option, but rather a issue with multiple chart display programs. All of the vector data is stored in meters. The chart display programs convert to feet. Instead of rounding, they truncate. Silly programmers never learned how to round efficiently……..us poor slobs who had to program everything in assembler…even for large mainframes found ways to do it almost as quickly as truncation.
    I’ve observed this issue with multiple chart display programs.

  7. Bob Duthie says:

    I remember that crossing beween channels on the ICW at Beaufort NC in 2004 very well. It was too late when my first mate was able to read the yellow sign. We ran aground. Tow boat US was there in minutes. They do a lot of business there. Garmin’s chart showed the channel but there was a tiny note mark I failed to read. You can see my video story of this event at http://tinyurl.com/ctolnq8

  8. bwp says:

    Ben ..
    Beaufort NC is my home area. The north Beafort Channel(Gallant Channel) is one of the most confusing areas to navigate. The area adjacent to the ICW changes weekly. We locals im most cases use the NW channel to access to the ICW. There is absoluely no way any of the electronoinc chart vendors can keep up with the chaning conditions, hell, the USCG can’t either
    Beaufort North Channel

  9. Rick Goode says:

    Small world story….my cousin who lives in Maine read this article….said isn’t that were you live…Back Creek. Yes it is! A neighbor had also called me the night you were anchored there and said “you have to check out the pretty downeast boat anchored in the creek”. He was correct. I own the Ralph Stanley lobsterboat just up from where you anchored. BTW, the line across Back Creek on the chart represents a demarcation line by Division of Marine Fisheries. Everything upstream of the line is a nursery area.
    Rick Goode

  10. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Thanks for writing, Rick. I remember your handsome boat well. I may have been imagining things but I had it associated with a screened-in cabin that blends nicely with the woods and shore, and possibly a docked sailboat? I figured that someone had worked out a fine way to enjoy that lovely area.

  11. Doug Champion says:

    Hi Ben, I have a decent shot of your boat on Back Creek. If you would like it, shoot me an email.
    Rick’s neighbor

  12. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Thanks, Doug! I just added the photo to the bottom of the entry, and it makes a nice match for my opening picture. I was going very slow with just 2 feet of water under the forefoot (and maybe 1 foot further aft), and I left the anchor hanging for a bit hoping to leave Back Creek with all the mud it had when I arrived 😉 Also glad that I happened to be flying my Maine State flag.

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