Molabo launches 48 V serial hybrid with Fischer Panda

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  1. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    I’ve been following Molabo for a while and think it’s great that even 50kW electric inboards (and outboards) can run on 48 volts DC, which is looking more and more like the future standard on many boats. But maybe I don’t understand the down side?

    • Juppe says:

      I guess the downside is current. 50kW @ 48V is roughly 1000 amps. In the brochure Molabo mentions the connection to the motor is done via 6 (3x positive, 3x negative) 95mm2 cables. That is still 330+A per cable (assuming perfect balance over the cables), that seems like a lot to me but they must have done their tests. Terminals and fuses must have a perfect connection, otherwise they will create hot spots (and blow fuses by heating them from the terminal connections).

      • Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

        Thanks, Juppe. I realized the issue of cable size, but you did the research and math. 95 square mm is equivalent to 3/0 AWG gauge, which is generally the largest cable that fits on many boat DC power components I’m familiar with.

        3/0 is hard to work with, but quite a bit of it has served well on my 37′ 12v vessel for 25 years. Then again the biggest load is about a 50 foot round trip to a 3kW bow thruster. Did you notice maximum cable runs for the Molabo set ups?

    • Anonymous says:

      I struggle with the upside. For many (most?) operators, “pure electric” rarely happens — in very short order, you are running on pure diesel. A 50kW motor is 67hp, so they aren’t skimping there (but I’m not sure how many 50kW Panda generators are out there — their literature lists 15kw as their biggest). So, take HaveAnotherDay (the picture at the top), running with the 50kW wide open. Sure, that’s slower than normal cruising, but probably good for 7-8kts. A 50kWh battery bank (yikes!) would get you one hour, or 6-7 miles. After that, it’s 100% diesel. And with a stock Panda generator, that’s 20hp, not even suitable for serious motoring on my 43′ sailboat.

      The upside, I guess, is in folks that don’t motor. If you run it at half power, you could motor out of your creek to raise sails, and then motor back in, and never use the diesel. Although putting 50kWh of power back into the battery on your return is a brutal charge (50A 240V cable, if you have access to that, is still close to a 5 hour recharge. Although for those that don’t motor, their annual operating cost on diesel is very low, making the return on investment here a hard sell.

      It might provide improved fuel economy in very specific instances, but in general I suspect it’s a net loser in that regard.

      I especially wonder about the benefit to a race boat. It provides almost no additional autonomy, with a rather massive weight penalty.

      Oh, and “Low Voltage?” Not all jurisdictions consider 56V (aka 48V nominal at 3.5V per cell) to be “low voltage.” For instance, in the US, OSHA considers 50V to be the threshold. See 29 CFR 1910.303(g)(2). You and I may legally choose to ignore this — but commercial operations (boatyards, builders, etc) ignore OSHA at their peril.

      • Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

        Right, this is meant for auxiliary propulsion and seems particularly appropriate to a sailing vessel that has lots of other DC power needs, including long distance ocean racers. I’ve followed Boris Herrmann for a while and believe his prediction that more of the IMOCA class will adopt this system or similar.

        Also, I realize now that this serial hybrid system may be meant for the 30 Kw Aries. I don’t see that specified anywhere and note that Boris’s setup is only using two of the three possible power leads.

        But no argument that WOT electric propulsion range remains rather pitiful, and you can see the numbers in this Molabo brochure. Note too that Molabo supports parrallel e propulsion too, for bigger needs:

        https://molabo.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/MOLABO_ARIES-brochure_EN.pdf

        • Harry Keith Harry Keith says:

          Offshore racers may have some benefits, but it’s not clear.
          * They still need to meet the range/speed requirements of the race. The Annapolis/Bermuda race, for instance, requires you have propulsion capable of hull speed for 10 hours — this system wouldn’t qualify for pretty much anybody. IMOCA is a bit of a specialty program and may not have the same safety concerns.
          * A large enough generator to meet the propulsion requirement would potentially eliminate the need for a second diesel. But most offshore racers have better charge solutions than generators (my boat’s prior owner, for instance, bragged that he crossed the ocean on 6 gallons of diesel — while running his fridge, freezer, watermaker, etc).
          * For racers, “electric” range is meaningless — they are either racing, or motoring many miles to safety. The batteries are nice, but a few kW of battery is plenty — tens of kW are needless weight.

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