SPOT Connect, works fine & deserves attention

Ben Ellison

Ben Ellison

Panbo editor, publisher & chief bottlewasher from 4/2005 until 8/2018, and now pleased to have Ben Stein as a very able publisher, webmaster, and editing colleague. Please don't regard him as an "expert"; he's getting quite old and thinks that "fadiddling fumble-putz" is a more accurate description.

30 Responses

  1. Dan Corcoran (b393capt) says:

    Visually it appears Aegean arrived at the island a minute or more before the last transmission. Reading the SPOT page got me wondering what was it like on board between the last transmissions and the transmission that didn’t follow at 4:46am.
    Reviewing this SPOT page made me feel more connected to the tragedy than any of the news reports have. It should have the same effect on the families.
    With virtually no other facts and tons of speculation, I wonder if this SPOT information helps the families of the lost crew in a significant way. At the very least, it could help in knowing that there is no speculated large ship collision that took place, or additional grief wondering day by day if some unknown crew will report they saw something, or feelings that such speculated crew potentially choose not to hear, investigate, or report the collision.
    Or is this technology so exotic, that the families don’t grasp the facts and implications that seem evident to us technology geeks? I hope a fellow sailor has walked thru this SPOT page with the families.

  2. Dan Corcoran (b393capt) says:

    All these SPOT improvements in the last year, cool. The web site could use some improvement, or is there a feature to obtain the distance between entries right on the spot page I may have missed? Obtain SOG, COG, and distance between any chosen two points? A window showing all spot messages, rather than needing to cursor from one dot to the next ?

  3. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Good point, Dan. Spot Messengers do not deliver SOG, COG, and altitude like the Iridium 5602 products can, but it seems like interpolation could be done on the owners Spot site and his or her share page.
    It’s also noteworthy that the data will drop off the Spot share page after seven days, if it’s set to the maximum and I think the owner site is also time limited, like a month. Seems odd in this age of the cloud with free gigabytes of storage.
    On the other hand, Spot also offers the Adventure Zone, where you can annotate trip data and save it indefinitely. The process is a little cumbersome, though. I wrote about it here: http://goo.gl/wjUYy

  4. fgstreet1 says:

    There’s an unfortunate irony in the motto on the Spot tracking page banner:
    “Live to tell about it”

  5. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Spot’s scare marketing was worse when it was introduced in 2007, as mentioned when I found out about the GEOS bunker in 2008: http://goo.gl/3McDW
    I should add to my review, though, that I was impressed when I called Spot customer service last night. My account had been locked due to too many wrong password attempts (which can happen when you loan stuff to sailors 😉 At any rate, I got through quickly and had my access enabled instantly once I passed the ID questions. The support person was also nice about setting up one of my sample Spots not to auto renew on my credit card, though it is annoying that you can’t fully manage your account online.

  6. Christopher says:

    Our experience with the li-batts is not as good as yours Ben.
    What’s it going to take to get them to put an external power connector on these and let the battery be a back up mode on boats (etc).

  7. Russ says:

    If the “hit the island” theory is substantiated by further investigation, then I think there are likely two causes. The first is simply that they did not keep a good watch. South Coronado has a 10nm light which should have easily provided a one hour warning in clear conditions. The second cause is of great relavance to this forum.
    The Spot track shows a constant speed and heading. I speculate that the navigator on Aegean zoomed out their plotter, put the cursor on the finish line at Ensenada, hit Goto and left the autopilot and engine to do their jobs. The problem is that when they zoomed out with a typical vector chart, the Coronado islands disappeared.
    I saw this the first time when zooming out a Northstar plotter enough to see my route on SF Bay and saw Alcatraz disappear entirely! The route was no more than 4nm, yet a huge hazard in the middle of SF Bay had disappeared! Just last week I heard about a boat that ran up on a charted reef in the South Pacific because the captain zoomed out, the reef disappeared and he set his course without further checking.
    This is a serious problem with the current generation of vector charts and plotters. However, it is not a fatal flaw as the decision regarding what to display is entirely in software. The data is in the chart, the flaw is in the decisions made by some programmer about what to display. I don’t know whether that programmer works for a chart vendor or plotter manufacturer, but it is a software problem, not a data problem.
    More importantly, it is a problem which can be easily addressed. It is easy enough to generate a “hazard” mark when the underlying hazard itself is too small for the scale currently being displayed; something indicating the operator should zoom in further for additional information. Yet we have all just accepted it as a flaw of vector charts. How many boats and lives must be lost before we demand that the chart vendors and plotter manufacturers address this problem?
    Certainly all captains have responsibility for their vessels and I do not believe the chart / plotters vendors are responsible for these losses. However, we have a right as customers to demand accurate charts which display all relevant hazards at all times.

  8. Christopher says:

    Perhaps the crew failed. Perhaps technology failed. But my squadron once sortied two aircraft to follow a Learjet across the Pacific.
    It was on autopilot.
    The crew and passengers were visibly dead.
    Absent a medical examiner’s report, we will never know if there was a living watch-stander or crew on this boat or not.
    So while it is a good idea to examine the possibilities, it is a bad idea to pontificate.

  9. norse says:

    Garmin’s Auto Guidance technology will plot a course for you which avoids hazards.
    There was another no-pilot aviation incident recently in the Gulf of Mexico:
    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2018020374_apusgulfplane.html

  10. M. Dacey says:

    Russ, I find your speculations have a plausible basis. This was essentially a coastal trip, and a paper chart (or a deeper appreciation of the range function on an electronic chart, or both) may indeed have alerted the crew that their “best course” went straight through an island. I cannot think of another situation for which the AP would be set to go on that course. The prudent navigator always offsets waypoints heeding shore, depth and a decent distance from a nav aid.
    So while we may never know whether the crew was alive, dead, unconscious or just asleep, someone set a course that went straight into a cliff. That would seem counterintuitive, if you didn’t notice stuff vanishes from chartplotters predictably.

  11. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Russ, Vector chart presentations at different zoom levels — and on different plotters with different presentation setups! — is a very interesting subject. And this particular case brings up another variable, which is what happens when your chart card is on the edge of its coverage area, particularly at an international border.
    But I very much doubt that this issue has anything to do with the Aegean disaster. Let’s remember that the owner/operator of this boat and most of his crew had done this race several times before, and there are many indications that they were quite competent at it, including winning their class.
    Here’s another data point: I got a call from a guy who’s worked at high levels in the marine electronics industry who told me that he’d spent time on a project with owner Theo Mavronmatis and that he thinks it highly doubtful that Mavronmatis would have made an elementary navigation error. He couldn’t detail the project due to an NDA, but apparently Mavronmatis may have made a significant contribution to marine electronics, though now it will be sadly posthumous.
    At any rate, I’ve been zooming in and out on various digital charts that include North Coronado Island this morning, and while the results weren’t bad, there are some issues that illustrate your concerns. I plan an entry about it next week, and it would be great if readers who have chart cards or PC vector charts for this area tried the same experiment and sent along screen shots (to ben_at_panbo.com).

  12. George says:

    This is a huge issue in the San Juans and Gulf Islands where we have about 100 more islands at low tide than high tide. Route plotting is really a weakness of chartplotters over paper charts, none of the many systems that I have used make it easy to plot a long distance route while at the same time seeing the hazards that would show up on a more detailed chart. There are a lot of areas that look nicely blue that have rocks in the middle. I have plotted routes over rocks before. It can be quite a surprise; if the “whale” dives twice in the same area you had better check the chart again.
    Auto routing, despite its problems, is probably the way for the industry to go — or at least some method of checking the route by default. Sure, old salts will be horrified but let’s face it — few boats have decent chart plotting tables anymore.
    I’m not sure that this is the issue with the Aegan tragedy (my heart goes out to the families of all involved.) The route is too direct. I suspect that they plotted a course to the light, set the autopilot into “no drift” mode and then something happened. It is even possible that they were not using their chartplotter since back in the stone ages you would navigate by plotting a course to the light and following that compass heading until sighting the light. The collision was at 1 AM in the morning so it is most likely that somebody fell asleep, although given that there were no course changes at all once the engine was fired up c02 poisioning seems possible.

  13. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    We call them ledges in Maine, George, and we have thousands of them. If you see a gull or cormorant who looks like he’s standing on the water — or a seal who seems to casually reclined there — watch out!
    I promise to create an entry about chart zooming problems next week, and auto routing is an interesting possible solution, but let’s keep this entry to SPOT and the Aegean please.

  14. Russ says:

    Ben – I don’t have the chart libarary to do a good job of the analysis. If I did, I think a good starting point would be to have the range set such that Aegean’s position at 2000 PDT (the time the race instructions permitted engine usage) and the finish line at Ensenada are both visible on the chart.
    Then it would be interesting to see the effect of various display options. For example something like turning off Display Sectors on beacons/lights, or anything that would have de-emphasized the light on South Coronado.

  15. Russ says:

    A further thought. If I was doing this race I would probably have set a waypoint for the finish line and then have used the VMG to waypoint and other calculated data to help guide my gybe angles, etc. It’s possible that at 10pm they just turned on the motor and AP with the plotter already set for the finish line and never even looked at the chart.
    Of course it’s speculation, but the Spot track strongly suggests that this was in some way an electronically assisted tragedy.

  16. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    OK, Russ, I’ll try that experiment and anyone can contribute to a group test. Here’s info from Aegean’s position at about 2000 PDT:
    Check in/OK
    7 Days ago ( April 27 )
    Aegean
    Your Local Time:
    Fri Apr 27 2012 22:49:43 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
    Coordinates: (WGS84)
    32.89128 , -117.68863
    Message Detail:
    Winds are down but we are still moving…
    I don’t think they started motoring for another hour or two but no matter. I can you right now that when zoomed out at a scale that shows that location and Ensenada, both a Simrad NSE12 with its built-in Insight charts and a Raymarine e7 with included Navionics U.S. Silver chart card show North Coronado Island, though of course it’s not many pixels worth.

  17. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    PS For those not familiar with how to convert the decimal degrees lat/long format Spot uses to degrees and decimal minutes, just multiple the decimal part by 60. Hence Aegean was at 32°53.4768’N x 117°41.3178’W. If your plotter is set up to use seconds, just multiple the minute decimal value by 60 again.

  18. Richard C says:

    I’m so glad you mention the request for an external power connection.
    For offshore, long distance sailors SPOT is not practical using AA batteries. SPOT Connect needs a way to plug in a 12 VDC power supply so it can run 24/7, if need be. Except for this one point, I would run out and buy one today. I can afford the SPOT but not the constant supply of batteries it would take to make this useful for me. Besides, the landfill does not need more discarded batteries.

  19. svHaven says:

    Sad and interesting. I do a bit of overnight offshore sailing a few times a year (I generally limit it to no more than 3 nights offshore at a stretch if possible. I’ve raced my boat to Hawaii from SF, doubled handed from Hawaii to Seattle, sailed Alaska including the offshore route, been down the east coast of the US offshore, little overnight gulf stream sail to the Bahamas, etc.
    In short, I am surprised this type of thing doesn’t happen more often. Staying awake and alert offshore in the wee hours isn’t easy, especially if conditions are calm enough that you are not on edge. My “solution” is a $30 Timex watch set with an 8 or 10 minute countdown timer… if I don’t manually reset the timer within that period – which is when i stand up and take a good look around, check the plotter, etc. – it starts beeping at me. This is a little extra insurance that i don’t doze off or get lazy and forget to check lights and plotter/radar at set intervals. On several occassions I HAVE dozed off and the beeping watch woke me up. How long might I have slept without the beeping watch??!
    Maybe someone will find this info helpful.

  20. George says:

    Is it true that they would have needed to use their cell phone to send an emergency signal with the Spot Connnect? I didn’t see a way to send one otherwise from the rather skimpy website on it. I would consider this a serious liability since iphones tend not to be waterproof.
    It does show that while a great tool (I have the normal orange one), the Spot is not a replacement for a genuinue EPIRB for on the water use. No emergency signal was sent. If they had an auto-activated EPIRB there would have been a response much earlier (response only started when the debries field was noticed.) It is possible that lives could have been saved.
    It makes me think, because I have a spot and a McMurdo personal EPIRB but no automatic system.

  21. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    No, that’s NOT true, George. The Spot Connect itself has a distress button just below the power button behind a little door so you don’t activate it accidentally.
    But if you can use the phone app in an emergency situation you can send a custom message along with the alert, as illustrated in my screen shots. I just wish there was a button on the hardware to activate tracking as that would be quicker and easier than using the app.
    I doubt that an automatic EPIRB would have helped Aegean, but it sure has helped in other bad situations.

  22. George says:

    That is great, I might upgrade my current Spot to this model. They should highlight the fact that it has a standalone emergency button, it doesn’t seem to be mentioned in their advertisement and is not even that easy to discover from their user’s guide.
    I am curious why you do not think that an EPIRB would have helped the Agean. Because of the race, there were plenty of boats in the area that would have been able to respond to a timely distress signal — in addition to the coast guard with spotlights and night vision. Not to speculate too much on this tragedy, but for all we know, the crew was hanging onto the deck while the boat was battered to pieces under them.
    They hit the rocks at around 1:30 am. The SAR response started at 10:00 am. It certainly seems to me that the difference between a 10-minute response time and a nine-and-a-half response time could have saved lives. It just sickens me to think that they could have been hanging onto the boat for hours with nobody aware of their predicament.

  23. david says:

    Check out http://www.spotwalla.com
    Website that adds better tracking for the spot.

  24. Capt. Jim says:

    A couple comments… yes, the SPOT website is very annoying to users as you must endure their sales hype. HELLO, I’ve all ready bought one! Now, let’s get user focussed and cancel all the b.s. And, NO, 90% of my share page viewers are NOT your customer base or your market segment. The Lithium Batteries are the best choice for this product, period, and for most devices with auto-shut-off & not a current hog. 15 year “shelf life”, ’nuff said. Up here in Nor Cal more than one tired offshore captain has pulled up the waypoint list and selected Santa Cruz’s Sierra Charlie One Buoy not realizing he/she had worked their way north of Pidgeon Point and engaged the auotpilot. There are an amazing number of Santa Cruz boats that have ended up on the beach.

  25. Note that Globalstar quietly announced it was dicontinuing the SpotHug marine product effective January first, 2012. A victory for the GSM/GPS products. Satellite links too unsure and erratic-even at a mooring, we are told by ex-customers.

  26. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    I don’t think that’s a fair characterization, Alden. I read through the annual report where Spot reported discontinuing the HUG and one thing that’s obvious is that it’s a fairly big company with lots of balls in the air, and few of them in the marine world. I would not like to manage a sat coms company, but that doesn’t mean Hug was discontinued because of performance issues. Off boat monitoring and tracking has always been a tough market.
    Besides, what Spot says about the Hug is: “We stopped producing more — but that doesn’t mean we can’t or won’t once our current inventory is depleted.” And I haven’t heard complaints of “unsure and erratic” connections. In fact, the Spot Messenger — which uses the same simplex data system — seems to have gotten more and more reliable.

  27. Graham Collins says:

    Per the Practical Sailor blog it is said the Aegean sent out a SPOT distress call, which was not promptly followed up on due to a couple of factors.
    http://www.practical-sailor.com/blog/-10824-1.html
    I think I’ll keep my EPIRB!

  28. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Thanks, Graham (and others via e-mail). Something seems odd about this report and I look forward to learning more.

  29. clayb says:

    Re the AEGEAn accident:
    I will be VERY interested to see exactly what message was generated from the device. The SPOT can send several types:
    1) OK – check in
    2) Assistance – Non emergency to listed friends and family
    3) Mayday – 911 or other first responders like USGC
    #2 is for non emergency situations, like you lost the keys to your truck after a hike. SPOT has a very good record of sending #3 messages to responders EVEN IF there is not an exact GPS fix corresponding. My guess is that the crew generated a #2 by mistake or in haste. Sadly it was not their first of the evening.

  30. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Charlie Doane has a good summary of what’s been learned so far about the Aegean tragedy:
    http://www.wavetrain.net/news-a-views/393-aegean-tragedy-us-sailing-final-report-preview
    Also, while the accident report isn’t out yet, one of the team confirms that there was a brief Spot distress signal:
    http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f106/sad-news-again-off-mexico-80977-10.html

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