Testing LiFePO4 cycle ratings, are they accurate?

Ben Stein

Ben Stein

Publisher of Panbo.com, passionate marine electronics enthusiast, 100-ton USCG master.

12 Responses

  1. Rod says:

    Ben, Don’t forget all WC batts have overcharge-protection, even non BT models. If the cells get out of balance you won’t fully charge it before the FET’s cut out.. How are you ensuring cell balance? Considering my 2009 Winston cells still deliver slightly in excess of 100% capacity at nearly 17 years old I suspect Wattcycles OCP…..

  2. Ben Stein Ben Stein says:

    Rod, Good point. With a non-BT battery I am limited in terms of how I can check cell balance. However, I can check for full charge protection (FCP) by making sure the charge acceptance curve shows a smooth line towards 0 amps. If I see a jagged move from low charge acceptance to none, I would conclude the battery has entered FCP. I see a smooth curve all the way down to 0.10 amps of charge acceptance and with a pack voltage of 14.2 volts. Charge acceptance smoothly ramps down while pack voltage smoothly moves up. All my testing with FCP sees a blocky movement to charger voltage and 0 amps when FCP cuts in.

    I also think there is a point where FCP is part of the manufacturer’s decision about how to manage charging. I’m charging to 14.2 volts which is below their recommended maximum and definitely high enough to achieve full charge on a 12v LiFePO4 battery. If their charge management features compromise battery charge, I think there’s a decent argument that showing that in the tests is fair.

    -Ben S.

  3. Allen Jones says:

    Excellent article Ben. looking forward to the next chapter.

  4. Paul A Storti says:

    For the question about changing the parameters of the capacity test as capacity gets below 90%. I would not change anything arguing that as a consumer you would expect similar performance new as when you get close to 2000 cycles or whatever the claimed life is. Also a battery nerd here. Got some Toshiba LTO batteries and made my own solar backup and also made some for the boat and with the Wakespeed WS 500s run the boat at 15.8v.

  5. Brent says:

    Very cool test. Excited to follow along. Thanks Ben

  6. Fred Murphy says:

    Great Article Ben!

  7. Glyn says:

    Excellent testing Ben. Of course with Rod watching, do you realize you’ll need to repeat the test with 13.8V charging (plus cell balancing absorption time) to see how the battery life is extended?! ๐Ÿ™‚
    Most of my experience shows that people tend to fit oversize banks when they change to LFP’s, so tend to cycle them lightly (and often at relatively low C rates). Calendar ageing tends to be the bigger issue….

    • David says:

      Excellent testing & a good point about oversizing.
      Curious about calendar ageing as it seems more likely to be the largest factor but still at a manageable 1-3% per year? Not perfect but better that flooded lead @ 5-15%. Before posting here I took a look at this deep dive https://diysolarforum.com/threads/cycling-degradation-vs-calendar-aging-w-lifepo4-batteries-used-for-solar-application.94487/

      Some talk for those don’t cycle often it may be better to keep their cells closer to 100% SOC as that slows down calendar aging more than the effect of maintaining high SOC. Now one more thing to factor! ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • Glyn says:

        Thanks for posting the link, interesting reading!

        I re capacity tested one of my first lithiums on the boat following 18 months of light use. Mostly it was sitting around solar float voltages and discovered my Epever reg was a little out, so actual float was just over 13.6V. Capacity test was within 0.85% after that time so figured it’s largely academic with over capacity fitted. From memory the BMS showed 18 cycles, so almost no cycling.

        Certainly benefits from being under a berth in the bilge area. Summer temps peak around 20 degrees C (68F) and winter is down to around 7C (45F) so clearly the low temperatures help….

  8. Ron says:

    Have you tested the new Trojan T105-aes 6v agm? They are claiming 1200 cycles at 100% DOD.
    If they do close to that I donโ€™t see changing to Litium. I have been using a 900ah, 6v single bank lifeline agm for 5 years, which is simple and has worked well. I will likely replace with the Trojans when itโ€™s time.

  9. Ben Stein Ben Stein says:

    The battery crossed 600 cycles and I tested capacity down to 10.5 volts again. This time, the rate of decay has definitely slowed. I updated the table above with those results.

    -Ben S.

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