Yacht Devices J1708 Engine Gateway brings data from older engines to NMEA 2000

Ben Stein

Ben Stein

Publisher of Panbo.com, passionate marine electronics enthusiast, 100-ton USCG master.

57 Responses

  1. Anonymous says:

    Good article. Also this product for Yanmar http://mbwtech.com/node/127. I’ve not used it yet but for this investigating it looks like a good plug and play solution.

  2. Patrick says:

    Very interesting. Do you know if this device would work on a 2002 Luggar L6108A2?

    • Ben Stein Ben Stein says:

      Patrick,

      I believe the L6108A2 is an entirely mechanical engine. The protocol converters (YDES, YDEG, J2K100, etc) are all designed to interface with an ECU which isn’t present on the L6108A2. So, I think your only option would be the EMU-1 or RS11.

  3. William L. Bowen says:

    Great and timely article. Maybe you can help me with my own setup. I a have a 2006 Volvo Penta D6-260I-B with a Volvo Penta NMEA 2000 Gateway No. 3840289, Serial No. 06260017 (original equipment with the boat) and a Garmin 5212 MFD. The Garmin reads fuel flow inaccurately at about twice the actual usage. I can find no configuration in the Garmin setup. Garmin has not been able to help. The only thing I can think of is that this early version of gateway is not up to date with the NMEA 2000 protocols. Can you help?

    • Ben Stein Ben Stein says:

      William,

      I don’t have a ton of experience with the VP Easy Connect gateways. Volvo seems to show limited interest in the product and doesn’t do much to support them. I don’t think there’s a way to capture raw data coming out of the engine with the Volvo product. That’s my normal first step in troubleshooting as the Yacht Devices products allow a capture of the raw J1939 or J1708 stream that can then be analyzed and corrections made.

  4. Rick says:

    HI… I have all B&G on my Lagoon… so the network is SimNet. I have ordered the YachtD devices for my Yanmar engines, as well as the YDWG-02 to get NMEA data to my laptop… I have located three 7 port SimNet joiners onboard. Two at the salon Nav station and one in the starboard engine bay. But only have three empty ports, two in the engine bay, and one at the Nav station. That should be enough for what I have ordered, but am also interested in the Voyage Recorder. How would I connect the Voyage Recorder. I’ve been told that I shouldn’t have multiple devices off a SimNet port. I had thought I could just connect two NMEA 2000 T connectors to a Navico converter cable that was plugged into the SimNet port. But am told by Navico support that doing that could cause issues. Thoughts?

    • Ben Stein Ben Stein says:

      Rick,

      Unfortunately I don’t know SimNet too well but here’s what I do know… SimNet (like Raymarine SeatalkNG) appears to be just a differently physical connector overlayed on top of the NMEA 2000 spec. The NMEA 2000 spec is quite clear about that drops are limited to 6 meters, but what’s less understood is that along that drop there can be many devices connected (Ben E. has a great post that shows all sorts of interesting things you can do and remain in spec here https://panbo.com/actisense-nmea-2000-cables-connectors-plus-network-design-tips/).

      With that in mind, and knowing that SimNet is just a different connector I sure don’t see a problem with multiple devices off Ts on a converter cable. But, I’d also be curious to know what Simrad recommends if they don’t want multiple Ts off a converter.

      Ben S.

      • Rick says:

        Hi,

        Thanks for the reply. I have found all five 7 port Simnet joiners on board and have enough empty ports to add my new YachtD devices with adaptor cables. Now the hunt for the cables, as I only see 0.5m, 1m,and 4m cables online…, I’ve also been told to keep the cables to 6m or less, but I know the anemometer is connected with a 20m cable, and the joiner to joiner cables are up to 10m… and there is a total cable length for all cables…

        Regards. Rick

  5. Xavier says:

    Back in 2013, I had a Maretron EMS 100 installed so we could monitor our Yanmar 4JH3-HTE built in 2001. To this day, things such as RPM, oil pressure, etc., display beautifully on our B&G Zeus 12 and B&G Zeus2 chartplotters.

    If your engine is not N2K compatible, you need a box (such as my Maretron or the Yacht Devices J1708) that can put out the engine’s data on the N2K bus. Once the data is there, many, if not all modern chart plotters should be able to display the information.

  6. Mike Field says:

    Great article Ben,

    We recently supplied some of these to be fitted to a pair of TAMD75
    They worked perfectly, we only added the “ENGINE_ID=1” to one unit before installation. 🙂
    All data including fuel rate displayed.

    Having installed quite a few of the YDEG versions for D4 / D6 / D12 without a hitch I must say how impressed we are with them.

    The support from yachtd is also first class.

    Regards

    Mike Field

    • Collin Madden says:

      Hi Mike – I just acquired and installed tow YDES devices for my TAMD 75’s. Any thoughts on how best to configure my new Garmin 12″XSV chartplotter to display info?

      I did set Stbd up as ID=1

      I’m in Seattle – love to bend your ear for 10 mins (206) 902-7638. Kind regards, Collin

  7. Claus Kastenskov says:

    I just bought two of these.
    My engines are TAMD 75 P/A from 2005.
    My boat is on the det for a month. Are there a way to check if everything is working when I can not start the engines?
    I have a Raymarine mfd.

  8. Claus Kastenskov says:

    What will I see for fuelconsumption?
    I get 0,0 L/h, does that mean I get proper reading when I start?
    Wouldn’t it be: -,- if it did not work?
    Best
    Claus

  9. Mark Wolff says:

    I have Perkins 6.354 engines which are completely analog. Looking through Yacht Devices offerings (before finding this post), I noticed the temp sensor and wondered if they would either offer one with NPT threads much like an analog temp sending unit has. An alternative would be to offer an immersion well for their probe. Hopefully a pressure transducer is on the way too!

  10. Mark says:

    Great article… I have a 2002 Formula 40PC powered by twin Yanmar 6LY2A-STP diesels and I have the Garmin GPSMAP 942XS for Nav and data. Do you have a suggestion for which device(s) and cable(s) will be required to gather the engine data and display it to my Garmin? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks, Mark

  11. Michael says:

    Very interesting! I’ve been looking for a way to get this info from my Volvo TAMD41H-B on to my NMEA2000/Seatalkng network for some time. Which YachtDevices device will work for me? Do you know if it will provide fuel flow data? Thank you!

  12. John says:

    I have a 2005 Carver 41 CMY with 2006 D6-370I-B EVC, What would be my options?
    My EVC B is to old to use the EVC display and all I have is a basic panel that is supposed to give codes with a blinking light that doesn’t work. Thanks,

  13. Bruce Peck says:

    Hello Ben: I have the two Volvo-Penta electronic displays on my 2001 Carver 466 also and have had to replace the polarized film on the display due to sun burn to the film. now I have updated my chart plotter to a Garmin 8612 and want to tie in the engine readouts. I found the two-pin connector in the YDES but don’t see where to tie to the NMEA 2000. Do I have to run the wire all the way to my chart plotter on the flybridge?

    • Ben Stein Ben Stein says:

      I’m assuming that when you say you found the two pin connector you’re speaking about the one in the engine room on top of the engines? If so you will need to extend your NMEA 2000 backbone from your helm to the engine room. You only need one NMEA 2000 backbone cable between the helm and the engine room because you will then use T connectors at each end. If you don’t have an existing NMEA 2000 network you’ll need a starter kit with power connector and terminators. It’s not a bad install, but depending on access on your boat running that cable can be tough.

      -Ben S.

    • Gary Gliddon says:

      Hello Bruce – I have two volvo edc displays on my boat helm dash and both have sun burn effects in the center of the screens, I was wondering how you go about disassembling the displays and how you went about removing the film and where you sourced the polarized film from?

  14. Kevin says:

    The Volvo display that you originally had on the boat boat looks a lot like some of the Cummins displays I’ve seen before they went to Smart Craft. It’s also very similar to the Teleflex i-5500. Do you know if it’s the same?

    The Teleflex system I’m looking at converting has control boxes in the engine room with i8824-1 model numbers on them and the output cables seem eerily similar to the n2k connections.

    • Ben Stein Ben Stein says:

      Kevin,

      Almost all those displays are made by a third party using pretty standard connectors. But, in almost all cases, the wiring is different and the software running on the displays is different. I’d guess the Teleflex system is using CANBus but likely not NMEA 2000.

      -Ben S.

      • Kevin says:

        Thanks. I’m going to try ButtonWorx rubber button repair on the display buttons and wire in an RS-11 from Noland to run engine data to the N2K network.

  15. Jason says:

    Just purchased a 2004 47 Formula, looking to get All the engine data from the twin Volvo Penta TAMD75P-A onto my garmin 8616…. how can I determine what protocol these engines have and what components I need to get the engine data onto nema2000

  16. Allen says:

    I just purchased a 2003 Riviera. It came from the factory with QSM11 and has a set of digital displays and a cluster of digital gauges. Im wanting to remove the set of digital gauges and install (2) Raymarine Axiom pro MFD. what protocol would I need to make this happen

    • Ben Stein Ben Stein says:

      QSM11s typically have both J1708 and J1939. Do you have a round diagnostic connector somewhere on the boat? Typically 10 pins? If so you can likely use a J1939 gateway and the wiring adapter for that connector.

      -Ben S.

  17. Philip says:

    Do I need two purchase two yacht devices if I have two KAD44’s from 2001 installed?

  18. John says:

    What would the parts list for a 2005 Carver 41 CMY,. How can I get more info and what would the capabilities be to monitor, view, etc… Thanks,

    • Ben Stein Ben Stein says:

      Hi John,

      What engines do you have in your 2005 Carver? The configuration will depend on the engine configuration.

      -Ben S.

      • John S says:

        Hi Ben,
        I have twin 2006 Volvos D6-370I-B with EVC-A or B’s. I haven’t been able to get a straight answer.
        Could you recommend something that will be compatible. I could provide the SN’s if that helps.
        Thanks for your help.
        John

  19. Jan de Vos says:

    Hi Ben,
    thanks for you article! I just bought a ship built in 1982 with two Cummins 1150 KTA-M engines 450 HP. engine serial nr 31122739. some of the meters in the instrument panel do not work (properly) anymore and I would like to have accurate data on a digital panel. how should I do that? is it possible with these engines? Please advise , many Thanks!!

  20. Anonymous says:

    many Thanks Ben! I will have a look.

  21. Bjelland says:

    Hi Ben, I must say you really did some impressive work here!
    I just baught 2 x YDES04-N for my KAD44 engines, connected to Raymarine via SEATALKNg backbone. I have read the provided manual on the YDES, and understand that I must load a configuration file i order to identify the engines as “port” and “starboard” (0,1), otherwise both will be programmed as the default “port” (0).

    1. I only need to specify the parameter(s) i want to change, like you did in the example in the article above, correct?
    2. I would like to get a warning if the coolant temp gets over a lover treshold (98 degrees) rather than the default 200 degrees celsius that is factory default . Will this work with the KAD44 engine?
    3. Raymarine lets you specify tank capacity in the boat setup screen. Does this mean that there is no need to specify tank capacity in the programming file?
    4. Will programming “THROTTLE_AS_LOADING=ON” be compatible with Raymarine/KAD44?

    Eagerly awaiting your reply,

    Regards, Bjelland

  22. Bjelland says:

    Hi again, I got the answers I needed from support at yachdevices. I will post the answers here i case some have similar questions. Sorry about the bother!

    I have read the provided manual on the YDES, and understand that >I must load a configuration file i order to identify the engines as “port” and “starboard” (0,1), otherwise both will be programmed as the default “port” (0).

    Correct.

    It is enough to configure only starboard engine ID, as port engine ID already has correct factory default value of 0.

    >1. I only need to specify the parameter(s) i want to change, correct?

    Yes.

    >2. I would like to get a warning if the coolant temp gets over a lover
    treshold (98 degrees) rather than the default 200 degrees celsius that
    is factory default . Will this work with the KAD44 engine?

    Yes.

    KAD engines do not support engine warnings natively, so you, indeed,
    need to set the coolant temperature threshold manually in order to get
    an “over temp” NMEA 2000 warning.

    >3. Raymarine lets you specify tank capacity in the boat setup screen.
    Does this mean that there is no need to specify tank capacity in the
    programming file?

    KAD series engines do not support fuel level, so this setting will have
    no effect on YDES-04 in your setup.

    I assume you have a separate analog fuel level sensor and analog gauge
    circuitry for fuel level measurements,
    if so, you can use our Tank Adapter YDTA-01 to bring the fuel level data
    on a chartplotter.
    https://www.yachtd.com/products/tank_adapter.html

    >Will programming “THROTTLE_AS_LOADING=ON” be compatible with
    Raymarine/KAD44?

    Yes.

    On KAD engines this setting provides “Percent Engine Load” data field of
    PGN 127489 “Engine Parameters, Dynamic”,
    so you should be able to get it on a compatible chartplotter.

    Try to edit the engine page on a chartplotter, can you find “engine
    load” gauge or data type among the possible engine data to display?

  23. Pete ketcham says:

    Would like to view my engine 2003 yanmar 6lpa-stp on the nema2k network. Any info on how to set this up would be very much appreciated. Thank you Pete

  24. Frenki says:

    Anyone knows what gateway is Volvo penta tamd 41 using?
    Also which device would suit me best to convert analog data to nmea2000 network?
    Thanks for the answers.
    F

    • Ben Stein Ben Stein says:

      Unfortunately, I believe, the TAMD 41 is a mechanically controlled engine without an ECU. This means that there’s nothing for an electronic protocol converter to convert. So, you would need an analog to NMEA 2000 converter like the Actisense EMU-1 or Noland RS11 mentioned above.

  25. joel says:

    Hi i have purchased two YDES-04N gateways and they work great. My engines are Volvo Penta TAMD75EDC and for some reason i cannot view oil pressure as it just comes up with no value on my garmin displays. everything else works like fuel flow, coolant temp, boost, RPM but just no oil pressure. You mentioned you did SUBSTITUTE_OIL_PRESSURE = 5 is that because you have an external oil sensor on your NMEA bus?

    • Ben Stein Ben Stein says:

      Joel,

      You’re not getting oil pressure because Volvo Penta didn’t run the oil pressure sensor through the TAMD’s ECU. So, the substitute oil pressure configuration mentioned allows you to use a Yacht Devices Tank Adapter to read the analog oil pressure senders’ signal and integrate that data into the engine data stream.

      -Ben S.

  26. Mike Fiedler says:

    I landed on your page in pursuit of a way to get Oil Pressure onto the j1708 data bus within my 2001 diesel pusher motorhome. It runs a Cummins ISC-350. I use a “BlueFire-for-Motorhomes” Deutch-six-pin-to-Bluetooth adapter, to make all the J1708 data visible on my dash display tablet. But like some of those older Volvos, there is no oil pressure on the bus!

    I am a real novice at this, but it just seemed someone must make an oil pressure sender that could participate in a J1708 network, whether the ECU was looking for the data or not. Do you have any words of encouragement, or is the Yatching world sufficiently removed from over the road barges as to bring back a zero?

    Is the Tank Adapter wired to a conventional pressure sender, and then simply patched into the bus wires? (I’m imagining the NMEA-2000 system is a kind of standalone counterpart to the J1708 network?) Or does it take the 1708 Gateway, plus a pressure sensor? Too many pieces I know too little about!

    Thanks for any light you can shed on this.

    Mike

  27. Dean Christian says:

    Thank you. You have been very helpful.
    Hello,
    Do you have a product that works with a year 2020 yanmar 3jh40 common rail engine for converting to nmea 2000? I would like to not use all the extra cabling that yanmar recommends

  28. Steve Duncan says:

    Ben,
    I have a question. I have a 2002 Sea Ray 510 Sundancer with CAT3196’s. I have lost all my analog gauges. The systems that receives info from the engines is made by Medallion Information Systems. It then sends the info from the engines to a the analog gauges. Unfortunately, Sea Ray no longer stocks the part and Medallion for whatever reason won’t sell it to me. However, I was told that Raymarine has a Display that can read the info. I have J1939 on the boat. I purchased connectors from Raymarine. Please see diagram here.
    https://www.raymarine.com/view/index-id=8883.html#cat-connect
    I have all the parts in this diagram but I can’t seem to find the Engine loom cable to connect to the Raymarine CAT Y Cable (E70305). Also if there is a different solution for CAT3196’s then I am open but I have all the tech except for the engine loom cable.

  29. alex says:

    Good afternoon, I have Silverton 35MY, (2004)/ Volvo Penta 8.1L gxi , ecm\mfi (2003)
    can i connecting the motor to the chartplotter ?
    and what engine readings will be shown?

  30. Mark Hoffman says:

    Hi, I landed on this thread in search of an alternative to my aging analog gauges and a response I got from VP that their Easy Connect Gateway is incompatible with my VP 8.1 GXi motors. I’m really anxious to be able to capture live data and looking for a solution. I’m not sure of the extent of the data displayed, but my mechanic has on occasion connected his laptop via a cable to my motors and monitored engine temp, oil pressure, rpms, etc. so it seems (from my laypersons perspective) that there is data available in some fashion. It would be awesome to hear from you about Yacht Devices options if they exist or some other recommendation you may have. I do have several Raymarine devices that “talk” to one another and despite the fact that my Raymarine SL72 no longer properly displays charts, I do get data boxes on it that are fed from the separate GPS unit and also the Raymarine Tridata ST60. My goal is to replace the SL72 and the GPS unit with an updated MFD and also [hopefully] access some useful engine data at the same time. Thanks in advance!

  31. Rick Schweiker says:

    Hi, I just installed YDES-04R gateways on my VP TAMD 74P EDC’s, I do not have the fuel flow rates displayed on my Raymarine Axiom MFD. What setting is required for the fuel rates?
    Thank you in advance for your assistance,
    Rick

    • Ben Stein Ben Stein says:

      Hi Rick,

      Are you still not seeing any fuel flow data? The TAMD 74P definitely outputs fuel flow information. There’s no settings change required to transmit that data to the NMEA 2000 network.

      -Ben S.

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